Content Management and Capture

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

Like Shaun I started with 7.5 but 7.6 was a better version.  Danny is correct.  Datacap Navigator can afterward.  You can use dcDesktop or tmweb to process batches without datacap navigator.  But tmweb only works will in IE.  

As for the second part to your question, Datacap navigator can also do verify task meaning process a batch in verify task.  It can do pretty much the same as if you are using tmweb. There are plus and minus. 

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

One note/piece of advice. We are at the point where there are features and capabilities that exist in DCNavigator that do not exist in TMWeb and as far as I know there's no plans to add new features to TMWeb at this point. I definitely appreciate your thought about reducing component clutter, but I cannot say with certainty that you will have everything you need with just TMWeb at this point from an administration perspective.

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

Hi Eric,

There are definitely end-user features and capabilities that exist in Datacap Navigator which are not in TMWeb, but I've not found any admin features or capabilities in Navigator that don't exist in TMWeb. 

The Original Poster only required Job Monitor and Configuration capabilities and wasn't using any of the newer thin clients.

Are there admin features in Datacap Navigator that don't appear in TMWeb?

Many thanks,

Shaun

One note/piece of advice. We are at the point where there are features and capabilities that exist in DCNavigator that do not exist in TMWeb and as far as I know there's no plans to add new features to TMWeb at this point. I definitely appreciate your thought about reducing component clutter, but I cannot say with certainty that you will have everything you need with just TMWeb at this point from an administration perspective.

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

Hi Shaun,

Sorry it took me a while to respond here.

I've never seen a complete list, but I know of a few configuration things that are only in Navigator (like the ability to configure printing on scan, although that's not relevant for the OP). It does look like later in this thread @Duke Lam discovered that Navigator lets you set multiple return conditions for a workflow step where tmweb only allows one. Part of the problem, tbh, is that there isn't clear documentation on this, which is why I've been advising my clients to move away from tmweb as they're able to (my best guess is that we reached full feature parity for admin around 9.1.4 and that new features have been ICN-only for some time, potentially since before that).

Best,

Eric

Hi Eric,

There are definitely end-user features and capabilities that exist in Datacap Navigator which are not in TMWeb, but I've not found any admin features or capabilities in Navigator that don't exist in TMWeb. 

The Original Poster only required Job Monitor and Configuration capabilities and wasn't using any of the newer thin clients.

Are there admin features in Datacap Navigator that don't appear in TMWeb?

Many thanks,

Shaun

One note/piece of advice. We are at the point where there are features and capabilities that exist in DCNavigator that do not exist in TMWeb and as far as I know there's no plans to add new features to TMWeb at this point. I definitely appreciate your thought about reducing component clutter, but I cannot say with certainty that you will have everything you need with just TMWeb at this point from an administration perspective.

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

You got my attention. 
I was able to add multiple return condition after playing around.  Just need to hit the return key. 
Yes document did not mention specifically to setting up multiple return condition. 

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/datacap/9.1.8?topic=splitting-defining-condition-associated-action

Hi Shaun,

Sorry it took me a while to respond here.

I've never seen a complete list, but I know of a few configuration things that are only in Navigator (like the ability to configure printing on scan, although that's not relevant for the OP). It does look like later in this thread @Duke Lam discovered that Navigator lets you set multiple return conditions for a workflow step where tmweb only allows one. Part of the problem, tbh, is that there isn't clear documentation on this, which is why I've been advising my clients to move away from tmweb as they're able to (my best guess is that we reached full feature parity for admin around 9.1.4 and that new features have been ICN-only for some time, potentially since before that).

Best,

Eric

Hi Eric,

There are definitely end-user features and capabilities that exist in Datacap Navigator which are not in TMWeb, but I've not found any admin features or capabilities in Navigator that don't exist in TMWeb. 

The Original Poster only required Job Monitor and Configuration capabilities and wasn't using any of the newer thin clients.

Are there admin features in Datacap Navigator that don't appear in TMWeb?

Many thanks,

Shaun

One note/piece of advice. We are at the point where there are features and capabilities that exist in DCNavigator that do not exist in TMWeb and as far as I know there's no plans to add new features to TMWeb at this point. I definitely appreciate your thought about reducing component clutter, but I cannot say with certainty that you will have everything you need with just TMWeb at this point from an administration perspective.

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

Thank you Duke.

You helped us go further.

Your pic shows only one Condition name "Document Integrity Failed",

while you added three Criteria ("jump", "dump", "bump"). I cannot be sure if these are three different Conditions, 

or one Condition with three Criteria, which current Datacap no longer supports?

Doesn't it work if each Criteria doesn't have a unique Condition name?

I will test if ICN Navigator's multiple condition defining panel and TMWeb panel (the one showed above with hitting Return keys)

define the same Conditions and that they produce the same result when running from Rulerunner.

Thank you very much.

You got my attention. 
I was able to add multiple return condition after playing around.  Just need to hit the return key. 
Yes document did not mention specifically to setting up multiple return condition. 

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/datacap/9.1.8?topic=splitting-defining-condition-associated-action

Hi Shaun,

Sorry it took me a while to respond here.

I've never seen a complete list, but I know of a few configuration things that are only in Navigator (like the ability to configure printing on scan, although that's not relevant for the OP). It does look like later in this thread @Duke Lam discovered that Navigator lets you set multiple return conditions for a workflow step where tmweb only allows one. Part of the problem, tbh, is that there isn't clear documentation on this, which is why I've been advising my clients to move away from tmweb as they're able to (my best guess is that we reached full feature parity for admin around 9.1.4 and that new features have been ICN-only for some time, potentially since before that).

Best,

Eric

Hi Eric,

There are definitely end-user features and capabilities that exist in Datacap Navigator which are not in TMWeb, but I've not found any admin features or capabilities in Navigator that don't exist in TMWeb. 

The Original Poster only required Job Monitor and Configuration capabilities and wasn't using any of the newer thin clients.

Are there admin features in Datacap Navigator that don't appear in TMWeb?

Many thanks,

Shaun

One note/piece of advice. We are at the point where there are features and capabilities that exist in DCNavigator that do not exist in TMWeb and as far as I know there's no plans to add new features to TMWeb at this point. I definitely appreciate your thought about reducing component clutter, but I cannot say with certainty that you will have everything you need with just TMWeb at this point from an administration perspective.

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

Thank you. Nice to hear this.

>We also use this including tmweb for our customer and also ADSI.

I think Workflow Routing configuration (Like Jump criteria) cannot be done TMWeb.

Otherwise, configuration options are identical between TMWeb and ICN Navigator.

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

Should be able to do jump, split, routing.  It's in tmweb admim where you configure the workflow.

Thank you. Nice to hear this.

>We also use this including tmweb for our customer and also ADSI.

I think Workflow Routing configuration (Like Jump criteria) cannot be done TMWeb.

Otherwise, configuration options are identical between TMWeb and ICN Navigator.

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

Should be able to do jump, split, routing.  It's in tmweb admim where you configure the workflow.

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Duke Lam

Original Message:
Sent: Tue June 11, 2024 07:26 AM
From: dsakai
Subject: Datacap in production without ICN Navigator?

Thank you. Nice to hear this.

>We also use this including tmweb for our customer and also ADSI.

I think Workflow Routing configuration (Like Jump criteria) cannot be done TMWeb.

Otherwise, configuration options are identical between TMWeb and ICN Navigator.

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dsakai

Original Message:
Sent: Tue June 11, 2024 03:43 AM
From: dorothea vulcan
Subject: Datacap in production without ICN Navigator?

Original Message:
Sent: 5/30/2024 6:13:00 AM
From: dsakai
Subject: Datacap in production without ICN Navigator?

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

------------------------------
dsakai
------------------------------

Hi Duke,

Thank you for correction.

I tried to add Condition for Router from TMWeb admin page before. I couldn't do it.

I couldn't find any button anywhere to add it.

So I use ICN Navigator to add Conditions. The panel shows Condition ("Dup Check Loop") that I configured from ICN.

If possible, could you please tell me from which TMWeb workflow menu or button I could add Condition for Routing?

Sometimes I configure multiple Conditions as well.

Sorry that my writing may not be that good. 

------------------------------
dsakai

Original Message:
Sent: Tue June 11, 2024 11:27 AM
From: Duke Lam
Subject: Datacap in production without ICN Navigator?

Should be able to do jump, split, routing.  It's in tmweb admim where you configure the workflow.

------------------------------
Duke Lam

Original Message:
Sent: Tue June 11, 2024 07:26 AM
From: dsakai
Subject: Datacap in production without ICN Navigator?

Thank you. Nice to hear this.

>We also use this including tmweb for our customer and also ADSI.

I think Workflow Routing configuration (Like Jump criteria) cannot be done TMWeb.

Otherwise, configuration options are identical between TMWeb and ICN Navigator.

------------------------------
dsakai

Original Message:
Sent: Tue June 11, 2024 03:43 AM
From: dorothea vulcan
Subject: Datacap in production without ICN Navigator?

Original Message:
Sent: 5/30/2024 6:13:00 AM
From: dsakai
Subject: Datacap in production without ICN Navigator?

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

------------------------------
dsakai
------------------------------

Hello Dsakai, 

It's not about adding a  button.  You need a condition flag to be raised.  Task_RaiseCondition action raises a condition flag that determines what happens when the task profile completes.

For example in the Traveldoc application there is a min and max document.  If it does not meet that condition it fail document integrity and trigger to go to fix up.

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/datacap/9.1.8?topic=splitting-condition-flags

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/datacap/9.1.8?topic=splitting-branching-versus

Hi Duke,

Thank you for correction.

I tried to add Condition for Router from TMWeb admin page before. I couldn't do it.

I couldn't find any button anywhere to add it.

So I use ICN Navigator to add Conditions. The panel shows Condition ("Dup Check Loop") that I configured from ICN.

If possible, could you please tell me from which TMWeb workflow menu or button I could add Condition for Routing?

Sometimes I configure multiple Conditions as well.

Sorry that my writing may not be that good. 

------------------------------
dsakai

Original Message:
Sent: Tue June 11, 2024 11:27 AM
From: Duke Lam
Subject: Datacap in production without ICN Navigator?

Should be able to do jump, split, routing.  It's in tmweb admim where you configure the workflow.

------------------------------
Duke Lam

Original Message:
Sent: Tue June 11, 2024 07:26 AM
From: dsakai
Subject: Datacap in production without ICN Navigator?

Thank you. Nice to hear this.

>We also use this including tmweb for our customer and also ADSI.

I think Workflow Routing configuration (Like Jump criteria) cannot be done TMWeb.

Otherwise, configuration options are identical between TMWeb and ICN Navigator.

------------------------------
dsakai

Original Message:
Sent: Tue June 11, 2024 03:43 AM
From: dorothea vulcan
Subject: Datacap in production without ICN Navigator?

Original Message:
Sent: 5/30/2024 6:13:00 AM
From: dsakai
Subject: Datacap in production without ICN Navigator?

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

------------------------------
dsakai
------------------------------

Hi Duke,

I am not talking about raising a flag. I am talking about Condition that the raised flag points to.

It seems I can define only one Condition from TMWeb.

In my past projects, a task had two or three conditions. I couldn't add the second or the third condition from TMWeb.

I did it from ICN Navigator. So I think for full workflow configuration, we may need ICN Navigator. 

Defining Condition. 

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/datacap/9.1.8?topic=splitting-defining-condition-associated-action

Hello Dsakai, 

It's not about adding a  button.  You need a condition flag to be raised.  Task_RaiseCondition action raises a condition flag that determines what happens when the task profile completes.

For example in the Traveldoc application there is a min and max document.  If it does not meet that condition it fail document integrity and trigger to go to fix up.

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/datacap/9.1.8?topic=splitting-condition-flags

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/datacap/9.1.8?topic=splitting-branching-versus

Hi Duke,

Thank you for correction.

I tried to add Condition for Router from TMWeb admin page before. I couldn't do it.

I couldn't find any button anywhere to add it.

So I use ICN Navigator to add Conditions. The panel shows Condition ("Dup Check Loop") that I configured from ICN.

If possible, could you please tell me from which TMWeb workflow menu or button I could add Condition for Routing?

Sometimes I configure multiple Conditions as well.

Sorry that my writing may not be that good. 

------------------------------
dsakai

Original Message:
Sent: Tue June 11, 2024 11:27 AM
From: Duke Lam
Subject: Datacap in production without ICN Navigator?

Should be able to do jump, split, routing.  It's in tmweb admim where you configure the workflow.

------------------------------
Duke Lam

Original Message:
Sent: Tue June 11, 2024 07:26 AM
From: dsakai
Subject: Datacap in production without ICN Navigator?

Thank you. Nice to hear this.

>We also use this including tmweb for our customer and also ADSI.

I think Workflow Routing configuration (Like Jump criteria) cannot be done TMWeb.

Otherwise, configuration options are identical between TMWeb and ICN Navigator.

------------------------------
dsakai

Original Message:
Sent: Tue June 11, 2024 03:43 AM
From: dorothea vulcan
Subject: Datacap in production without ICN Navigator?

Original Message:
Sent: 5/30/2024 6:13:00 AM
From: dsakai
Subject: Datacap in production without ICN Navigator?

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.

------------------------------
dsakai
------------------------------

Have your team ever delivered a Datacap solution without ICN Navigator?

In one project, we chose to install ICN Navigator along with WAS.

But there is no Verify task to be used on ICN Navigator.

We only needed Job Monitor and Configuration panel.

But TMWeb (Datacap Web Client) can do most of these tasks.

I've been thinking TMWeb (Web Client) is simple, light, and easier to use than Navigator.

So I am wondering if TMWeb is enough to maintain Datacap Applications in production.

So that we may do away with WAS and estimate shorter schedule and lighter documentations.