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  • 1.  PTFs containing embedded malware

    Posted Wed March 13, 2024 12:06 PM

    Sure would be nice to be able to order PTFs without the network stopping it due to suspected malware.

    Just the latest groups and "recommended" ptf's for 7.5.  Comes down in several .bin files.  That 4th file gets really pounded when we try to distribute it to our dmz lpar.



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    Robert Berendt IBMChampion
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  • 2.  RE: PTFs containing embedded malware

    Posted Wed March 13, 2024 12:17 PM

    Robert, are you sure that it is indeed malware, as the title implies, or could it be a false positive from your AV?



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    Kurt Thomas
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  • 3.  RE: PTFs containing embedded malware

    Posted Wed March 13, 2024 12:38 PM

    No I'm not sure.  I'm doubting it is.  It takes moving mountains though to get the network people to make a change though.  When I'm doing this I simply do not have that time.

    I can GET from one lpar to the other but I cannot PUT.  Is it the port, or the random way that either the client or the server binds to IP addresses?  Each lpar of IBM i supports multiple IP addresses for different things.  Multiple Domino servers on a single lpar is our classic example.

    It would probably be easier if IBM would just take the false positive out.

    This last time I used saving it to virtual tape on our VTL and restoring it to the other lpar.  When you're talking a 4GB file that's not such a bad thing.  And with VTL there's no physical laying hands on tapes.  Which is kind of nice since it's a couple hour drive to the DC.



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    Robert Berendt IBMChampion
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  • 4.  RE: PTFs containing embedded malware

    Posted Thu March 14, 2024 05:32 AM

    Hi Robert, if indeed it is a 'false positive' (lets hope so!)  IBM won't be able to just 'take it out'.  You need to report the issue to your AV vendor with a copy of the file, so that that AV vendor can update the signature database to reflect it and prevent it from happening in future.  Hope this helps.



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    Michael Davison
    EMEA Support Team Lead
    Fortra
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  • 5.  RE: PTFs containing embedded malware

    Posted Wed March 13, 2024 12:51 PM
    Edited by Jack Woehr Wed March 13, 2024 12:53 PM

    Sure would be nice to be able to order PTFs without the network stopping it due to suspected malware.

    This is the condition technically known as "Your firewall configuration is poo." Contact Mordac, the Preventer of Information Services, in your IT dep't. to fix it.



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    Jack Woehr
    IBM Champion 2021 - 2024
    IBM Qiskit Advocate
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  • 6.  RE: PTFs containing embedded malware

    Posted Wed March 13, 2024 01:22 PM

    That is the most descriptive term I can use for him on a PG forum.

    Another thing:  He cannot begin to grasp the firewall setup to allow me to use ftps from an lpar of vios to IBM.  Despite my sending him multiple links on why ftps can be difficult to set up on a firewall.  So I have to download vios upgrades to a PC and run through some gyrations.  Really painstaking process to thoroughly document for doing those patches you have to burn directly to FC cards, disk drives, etc.  You know, all that crap we take for granted with IBM i's PTFs which doesn't apply when it comes to VIOS.  My documentation is required to be thorough enough so that someone else can do it in my absence, and by the 3rd Power system, often is.  As my sergeant said "We're all expendable.".



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    Robert Berendt IBMChampion
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  • 7.  RE: PTFs containing embedded malware

    Posted Thu March 14, 2024 04:02 AM

    A quick & easy fix I used some time ago: zip your bin/iso files before transfer.

    As they are big files they need resources to decompress, so you may be lucky enough to have AV ignore them ;)

    Unzipping the files is made easy with the help of ACS's IFS browser.



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    Sylvain Manceau
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  • 8.  RE: PTFs containing embedded malware

    Posted Thu March 14, 2024 08:59 AM

    Dear Robert,

    When you say "I can GET from one lpar to another but I can't PUT...", you should know that I've stopped using ftp/sftp since I started having security problems with clients.

    Since then, I only use QFileSvr.400 for all my transfers of .udf/.iso DVDs between IBM i (via the internal vlan if they are on the same server).

    I hope this helps. 



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    Nicolas FRAYSSE
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  • 9.  RE: PTFs containing embedded malware

    Posted Tue March 19, 2024 09:56 AM

    I believe there is a file system size limitation with QFileSvr.400.  Although I cannot find that limitation anywhere.

    We're talking about 4GB files.



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    Robert Berendt IBMChampion
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  • 10.  RE: PTFs containing embedded malware

    Posted Tue March 19, 2024 10:22 AM

    Yes, there is a maximum of about 4.2 GB, so everything is fine for DVDs such as Resaves, B_GROUP1..., cumulatives, GRPPTF...



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    Nicolas FRAYSSE
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  • 11.  RE: PTFs containing embedded malware

    Posted Wed March 20, 2024 11:13 AM

    @Nicolas FRAYSSE QFileSvr.400 seems to work, both directions.

    Size of object data in bytes . . . . . :   3893442560
    Allocated size of object . . . . . . . :   3909091328

    The CUME750_4.bin byte count is: 3893442560.



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    Robert Berendt IBMChampion
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  • 12.  RE: PTFs containing embedded malware

    Posted Wed March 20, 2024 11:53 AM

    La dernière Cumulative PTF pour i7.5 est le package C3306750 que j'ai bientôt terminé d'installé chez l'un de mes clients pour 44 LPARs i, avec mise à jour du resave et groupes PTF bien sûr.

    Voici la taille des 3 DVDs de la C3306750 que tu peux transférer sans problème par QFileSvr.400 entre les IBM i (si même serveur, utilise le VLAN interne si tu le peux) :
    Name                 Size     
    SF99750_1.bin       4,145,152K
    SF99750_2.bin       1,392,640K
    SF99750_3.bin       1,458,176K



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    Nicolas FRAYSSE
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  • 13.  RE: PTFs containing embedded malware

    Posted Fri March 15, 2024 04:31 AM

    Hello Robert,

    If you do not have any LPAR available allowing you to run the SNDPTFORD downloading the PTFs as savefiles, Then it seems you are stuck here.

    The advantage of ordering PTFs as savefiles is that allows you to only download the delta. Apart from that, PTFs are directly on the place where they need to be. I am just lucky, because all our customers allow us to order the PTFs with the command "SNDPTFORD PTFID((*ALLGRP)) CHKPTF(*YES)". This is only needed for one system. It is called the central system having all the IBM license programs installed, also installed on the other LPARs. After having them applied Administration Runtime Expert is used to distribute them to other LPARs. 
    If this sounds interesting please have look here => Manage PTFs on IBM i with Administration Runtime Expert ARE

    I have been doing this in this way for the past 5 years at least, and it simply saves me time.The biggest advantage of this approach is that only the delta of the PTF savefiles are downloaded and no longer I have to deal with image catalogs. 

    The only time I use an image catalog for PTFs is when doing an upgrade.

    If the above is of no use for you, please feel 100 % to disagree and ignore it ;-)

    Greetings Rudi



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    Rudi Van Helvoirt
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  • 14.  RE: PTFs containing embedded malware

    Posted Tue March 19, 2024 10:00 AM

    Stream files also allow you to just get the delta.  However, on our quarterly downtime I do not request just the delta in order to ease sending the updates to over a dozen lpars.

    Stream files are much more consolidated than save files.



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    Robert Berendt IBMChampion
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