Thank you very much for the information. I am actually a novice just learning this Health stuff and I think I have now learned I do not have a need for Watson Studio and there by CP4D. I now see that what I thought I was going to have to do in WS is actually directly in the Health application. All I wanted to be able to do was to setup Contributors and Formulas which I now see can all be done in the Score Settings of Health. I thought they needed to be done in CFG files in the WS.
Anyway, I am holding off on WS and CP4D until I find a need.
Again thank you very much for your assistance.
Original Message:
Sent: Fri December 06, 2024 02:22 PM
From: Arif Ali
Subject: MAS9 SNO IBM Cloud Pak® for Data?
Hi David,
I'm not in product management. I can only volunteer technical questions in my personal capacity from distance if they are generic enough in nature. Here's the documentation link for Predict https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/masv-and-l/continuous-delivery?topic=a-maximo-predict
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Arif Ali
Original Message:
Sent: Thu December 05, 2024 12:10 PM
From: David Miller
Subject: MAS9 SNO IBM Cloud Pak® for Data?
@Arif Ali before you go. When you say the HP&U is no longer available and I see that the guide does say IBM Maximo Health and IBM Maximo Predict 8.7 to 9.0. If I am currently using 9.0.2 will I already not work? This stuff is changing so often I am having hard time keeping track.
So I have "Manage with Health" tile and a tile for "Health". Then I also have Utilities installed. Will that guide not be what I need to do to modify my Health application to do different Notebooks and CFG files to add new contributors, scores, and dependencies ??? Is there a newer more current guide I need to use?
Will this all change with 9.1? Is that what is being implied by the guide saying 8.7 to 9.0 ???? Hard stop at 9.0 ?
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David Miller
Managing Partner - Maximo Consultant
Enterprise Integration Partners LLC
Original Message:
Sent: Thu December 05, 2024 11:43 AM
From: Arif Ali
Subject: MAS9 SNO IBM Cloud Pak® for Data?
There are two different perspectives here: CP4D and MAS. CP4D is telling you to use SNO for its base, but they are referring you to correctly size your SNO according to the kind of services you plan to use (there are dozens of services in CP4D).
BTW, your MAS documentation is referring to HP&U which is no longer available in MAS. But I take it that you are going to be dealing with Maximo Manage, Maximo Health and Maximo Predict. In that case, you are looking at installing Watson Studio and Watson Machine Learning (two of the CP4D services). Both of these CP4D services, plus the CP4D base, will require you to make available good number of CPUs and memory (refer to the calculator mentioned above).
This is a very involved installation process. If I were you, I would use the calculator to identify my needs for Manage, Health, Predict and CP4D. I would then use direct Ansible playbook/Roles to install. I used to do this all the time but haven't done it lately. So I bow out of this thread. Good luck.
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Arif Ali
Original Message:
Sent: Thu December 05, 2024 11:00 AM
From: David Miller
Subject: MAS9 SNO IBM Cloud Pak® for Data?
This guide tells me that I need "Maximo Application Suite supports IBM Cloud Pak® for Data 4.6 with Python 3.10."
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/mhmpmh-and-p-u/continuous-delivery?topic=products-configuring-models
I did just walk through the Hardware Requirements of the above link and found this that sorta conflicts with your statements:
Cloud Pak for Data platform hardware requirements
If high availability is not a requirement for your deployment, you can deploy Cloud Pak for Data on a single node OpenShift (SNO) cluster. If you plan to install Cloud Pak for Data on SNO, review Single node OpenShift deployments.
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/cloud-paks/cp-data/5.0.x?topic=requirements-hardware#hardware-reqs__platform
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David Miller
Managing Partner - Maximo Consultant
Enterprise Integration Partners LLC
Original Message:
Sent: Thu December 05, 2024 10:48 AM
From: Arif Ali
Subject: MAS9 SNO IBM Cloud Pak® for Data?
You will be installing CP4D if you are looking to install Watson Studio for Manage/Health purposes. Watson Studio/Watson Machine Learning is generally not suitable for SNO because these two components will be asking for lot more CPU/Memory to run. May I ask which documentation are you following that led you to install Studio for Maximo Health?
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Arif Ali
Original Message:
Sent: Thu December 05, 2024 08:23 AM
From: David Miller
Subject: MAS9 SNO IBM Cloud Pak® for Data?
This is awesome information and exactly what I wanted.
I have 25.45 CPU available and 53.5 GB Memory available. I assume this means I should be good to go with both CP4D and the Watson Studio.
What about the version of CP4D ? Will I be okay to install v5 while docs say I need 4.6 which is not an option any longer in the Operators?
Also, just realized another reason I did not install CP4D was that I am using Oracle and not DB2 and the CP4D uses DB2. Will this impact the numbers you gave me or did the numbers you provide already include the DB2 or expect the DB2 to already be there running?
Thanks again,
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David Miller
Managing Partner - Maximo Consultant
Enterprise Integration Partners LLC
Original Message:
Sent: Thu December 05, 2024 02:14 AM
From: Witold Wierzchowski
Subject: MAS9 SNO IBM Cloud Pak® for Data?
It's hard to judge if CP4D will "fit" into Your SNO without knowing the current cpu and memory utilization and requests. On the Overview page of the SNO there are graphs for CPU and memory utilization at the bottom of the middle column. If You hover mouse over it will tell You a requests and limits value. To calculate available resources just take the total number of CPUs available - CPU requests = CPUs still left to use.
IBM calculator (available here: https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/masv-and-l/continuous-delivery?topic=premises-requirements-capacity-planning) says that You need 14vCPU and 10GiB memory for CP4D base services plus 2vCPU and 48GiB memory for Watson Studio. For CP4D it seems realistic from my memory, not sure about the Watson Studio though. In theory You would need 16vCPU and 58GiB of memory to deploy both. If Your available resources are at least this then You should be good.
In case You run out of CPU or memory OpenShift will just not schedule the pods and those pods will be visible as Pending. It will not break Your SNO :)
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Witold Wierzchowski
Solution Architect
Cohesive Poland
Original Message:
Sent: Wed December 04, 2024 05:10 PM
From: David Miller
Subject: MAS9 SNO IBM Cloud Pak® for Data?
So I have a MAS 9 SNO env up and running just great. It is running on a baremetal:
PowerEdge Dell R630 Server | 2X E5-2690 v4 = 28 Cores | 128GB RAM | 2X 1TB SSD (56 Cores) I notice it seems to only be using 1 drive as it says:
158 GiB available of 893.7 GiB
Not sure about this but its all working fine so I did not care.
When I installed I specifically stayed away from the IBM Cloud Pak® for Data Operator as I was told it would use too much resources (memory and disk space) for our little SNO.
Well now I find out I need it to be able to install Watson Studio to try and do some Health model work. Can anyone tell me if I will run into issues if I install it in my hardware and what I may need to be able to in fact install Cloud Pak for Data and then Watson Studio?
Also I notice in IBM Guide they say:
Important:
Maximo Application Suite supports IBM Cloud Pak® for Data 4.6 with Python 3.10
But in the Operators in RHOC I see the Cloud Pak for Data only has a 4.4 version and then jumps to 5.0 now. What version do I install and will this all work with version 5???
Thanks in advance,
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David Miller
Managing Partner - Maximo Consultant
Enterprise Integration Partners LLC
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