Greetngs,
I am starting to install Manager 503, and I was hoping to find someone that can tell me about their experience. What gotchas did you come across? What was the impact to your system?

Thanks,
Joe

I’m interested in experiences with wM Manager version 6.01 (server and console). Does it cover everything you need to manage and monitor the integration platform? Is it stable?

I fired it up and looked it over, but have not used it for hardcore monitoring.

It rides on top of the OMI (Open Management Interface) Specification that webMethods co-authored with HP.

I have worked with two companies who plan to use or are using outside Monitoring tools that directly integrate with webMethods: CA Unicenter and Tivoli through the OMI.

In these cases, the companies already used these products so it was a matter of configuration. No one else I know uses the manager as a serious tool.

Ray

Can some one explain the differences bitween OMI and JMX(Java Managenet Extention) ?

Pardha

Ray,

>No one else I know uses the manager as a serious tool.

Do you mean the Console/Console services? The OMI and Manager server look as a quite useful tool to build something for monitoring and maintaining the wM integration suite. Or are there better ways to do this? In a 7x24 situation you don’t want to browse through all the Administrator screens to see if anything goes wrong. You will need an alerting system.

We, blue elephant systems, have developed a product, the BES Tivoli Manager for webMethods (TM4WM), which provides an interface between Tivoli and webMethods. blue elephant systems is an official webMethods partner focusing on IT management. Currently our product is in beta. The plan is to ship a GR product in July. The functionality can be summarized as follows:

In general TM4WM utilizes the Open Management Interface (OMI) to integrate Tivoli and webMethods. The first version of the module has the following functionality:

1. Event integration: OMI notifications are available as IBM/Tivoli
   events. (TEC)
2. Action integration: OMI operations can be executed from IBM/Tivoli as
   tasks. (TTL)
3. Monitoring of webMethods components (e.g. adapters und queues): OMI
   object attributes can be monitored by and used with Tivoli monitoring
   products. (TDM & ITM aka TDM advanced edition).

The first release of the module interfaces with the following
IBM/Tivoli products:

• Tivoli Event Console (TEC),
• Tivoli Framework / Tivoli Task Library (TTL),
• Tivoli Distributed Monitoring (TDM).

The strength of the product is that we are not only provided the pure interface. We have worked with wM customers to develop instrumentation on top, which makes it easier to ensure the availability and quality of the webMethods integration backbone using a Tivoli management environment.

Please let me know if you are interested in our product or if you need any additional information.

Joachim Hoernle

blue elephant systems
Managing Director
phone +49 7181 488 438
mobil +49 170 3426975
mailto: jh@blue-elephant-systems.com

Joachim, thanks for the info. Our company has been looking at webMethods Manager. I have seen it demo-ed at Integration World last year, and I will likely get a close-up view of it this week (our local webMethods guy will come and show it).

One note to everyone: If you want to use a monitor console for webMethods that relies on OMI, you need to purhase the webMethods Manager product. You cannot just slap the console on top of your existing webMethods infrastructure.

Regards,

Wayne

Our product (BES TM4WM) is not a replacement of the webMethods Manager. It integrates the functionality provided by the webMethods Manager into a Tivoli management environment. In addition significant value is added on top, such as specialized instrumentation, self-management capabilities, filtering and so on.

JoacHim

Pardha,

Can some one explain the differences bitween OMI and JMX(Java Managenet Extention) ?

JMX is a standard way for instrumenting Java programs to allow them to be managed (i.e. low level). OMI is a way to allow a managed environment to be managed from a console (i.e. high level). In fact, the wM Manager is implemented using JMX.

JMX does not contain a model, only an interface, OMI contains both.

There is a need for both things.

You might want to look at the work being don in the OASIS - WSDM group - they are defining, effectively, “son of OMI”.

Geoff

Ray,

>No one else I know uses the manager as a serious tool.

I would have to disagree with you there. There are a number of webMethods customers who are seriously using the Manager product, as far as I am aware. Some do it in conjuction with an SMV, some using the Manager Console (or a combination of both).

Geoff,

I didn’t say it wasn’t a serious tool, but you mention a “number” of webMethods customers. I expect that it is a very small number.

Ray wrote: No one else I know uses the manager as a serious tool.
Geoff wrote: I would have to disagree with you there.

How can you disagree with “No one else I know…” ?

(just kidding around)

Rob: Good point. I was relating that none of my recent clients have used it.

I am a webMethods evangelist. If I look at it long enough, it’ll probably grow on me.

Hi,

I have a small question regarding Manager and Manager Console. I have installed the manager and from the manager i am also able to search for various Integration Severs across the network and i am also able add them to the list of Integration Servers.

( i ) My problem is when i go into my Manager Console i am not able to view the added Integration Server under the Object panel and none of its dependencies like the Brokers, Adapters, Components/Services etc. Also another issue with the Manager Console is i am not able to get any of the attributes, in the Attribute Panel for any object(s) in the object panel not even the default ones like the name of Broker, etc.

( ii ) Another issue i have noticed is, under the manager’s web Client, under the Resources Menu, we have “Broker Servers” which opens up a frame to the right containing a link(2nd one from top) by name Brokers. This link doesnt show for me the various Brokers attached to the Integration Servers discovered. Practically its empty. Do i need to do some settings or did my installation of the Manager went wrong. I didnt find any help in the documents regarding the above 2 problems

Any help is appreciated.

Thank you in advance

Hi Vijay,

(i) My experience with the manager console is that if you start it the first time, it takes a very long time to collect all data, so be patient. And sometimes I have to restart the console services and the console to get all the information

(ii)The Manager isn’t looking automatically for the brokers attached to the integration servers you’re managing. So even if you have added Integration servers to the resources, you have to add the broker servers too in the “Broker Server” page. Only after that you will see the brokers related to the broker server, when you click the link.

Hope this helps

Hi Vijay,

May be you haven’t run the script in
<installation>\ProgramFiles\webMethods6ManagerConsoleServices\doc\sql
(i.e. for Oracle or MS-SQL), in the database which you configured at the time of installation. Try this once.

regards,
raghu.

Hi Vijay Kumar,

Did the problem get solved for you. I tried the solutions given by others above for your Attribute problem and it did not work either.

Thanks
Prem

To go back to the original question:

Does anyone have experience with the Manager for version 6.0.1?

Regards,

PJW

Hi Folks,

My question is not only for webMethods console but it address data collection agents (DCA). From the documentation, i was able to understand that there are two parts for the manager console 615. (1) Agents & satellites (2) controllers. So agents are deployed on each resource machine and cotroller will be deployed on the host machine where the manager server is. So I have different agents deployed for different resources.

I need to configure some particular agents for particular resource (IS). Could anyone of you tell me how to configure agents. I meant to ask how to deploy and un-deploy the agents ?

Any help will be appreciated.

Regards,
Nilesh

Hi Nilesh,

There is a file called as AgentList.properties that defines Agents enabled for your installation.

For each agent, there will be different property file.

To monitor Integration Server, you can use OMI Agent.

You should be using is:

1. Manager Console (Controller)
2. Satellite
3. Manager Server (OMI Server)

for Monitoring. Each Manager Server is capable of monitoring 3500 Objects according to webMethods.

How far have you reached in your setup now?

Hey chirag,

Thanks for your reply and suggestion. You know what you were right regarding disk space. When I got the oracle error and tried searching for details for that error code on google, i understood that i had to create tablespace with laster datafile size. I increased the tablespace datafile size and those oracle errors disappeared.

Regarding agents deployment, I went through documentation and did some R&D myself, used some trial & error type of stuff, and finally I succeeded to configure the agents and monitor IS and broker.

So my manager server & console setup has almost done. Even I have created some rules & alerts to monitor the status of the broker and IS and it works fine.

FYI, I deployed Integration Server and Enterprise agents and got the alerts working.

Thanks again for your effort.

Regards,
Nilesh

Hi Nilesh,

How large is your environment? It seems that you just got started with Monitoring?

Do you use territories and gateways? have you been able to monitor them?

Chirag,

We have 9 Integration server to be monitored. Among them there are two clusters of 4 IS in each cluster. One one independent IS. We have two brokers to be monitored. currently I have configured rules to monitor these IS servers and the only one broker. At this point of time, I also dont know where is the other broker running in the network. I also dont know whether the second broker will be used for failover or so. Once I will reach at that point in configuration, will let you know. How many resources do you manange or have you mananged using manager ?

Regards,
Nilesh

We are slightly more complex I guess:
37 Broker Servers
98 Brokers
approx 1400 Enterprise Adapters
1 IS 6.1
2 IS 4.6

We use 3 Satellites, 3 Manager Servers and 1 controller.

Hi,

It looks like its worth using manager in your case. Frankly speaking, I am fresher in manager stuff. What I was understood that you have to have controller installed where you have your manager server. In your case, you have 3 manager server and only one controller. So I can not understand how it works. If you have time, (I can understand, if you may not reply soon), please let me know how your manager server, controller and satellete communicates ?
One more thing, why OMI Agents are required ? (this question is not related at all with the first one …)

Regards,
Nilesh

Hi,

Here is a short discourse on the whole thing:

Manager Server:
Manager Server can handle 3500 Mbeans. It is first monitoring point, which connects to all the resources Brokers,IS etc. Exposes the data collected using OMI.

Trouble 1: If you have more then 3500 objects to be managed you need additional manager servers. We have more then 7000 objects. So we have three.

Satellite:
Runs the DCA to collect data. A satellite can have several DCA, but only one instance of each DCA. If you want to use Manager Server, you need OMI DCA to collect data.

Trouble 2: Now One OMI DCA can manage one Manager Server. We have three. So we need three instances of OMI DCA, so three satellites.

Controller:
data gets pushed to controller by Satellite, it stores it in a DB, fires the rules that you set, and all that. All satellites we use talk to one manager console, so that everything is one one screen.

Trouble 3: Total number of objects that can be managed are about 10500. So Three is a limit that we know.

With environment as large as we have, we already see lot of work at database end. To think about it, 288 readings (interval is 5 minute) per day, about 7000 objects per reading…

Hi,
I really appreciate for your explanation. It is really very helpful me, especially, for startup. So from your explanation, if you want to manage only IS and brokers, you need not require Manager server. Is is correct ? I meant to say that if I install controller on host A, and install satellites on host B,C, …etc wherever my ‘to be monitored objects’ like IS and broker are installed. And if we go with this configuration, I can manager IS & Broker without using (or installing) Manager server ?

Thanks in advance for your reply.

• nilesh

Well,

Let’s look at this way:

If you want to use OMI DCA, you need Manager Server.

If you do not want to use OMI DCA, you will require

• Enterprise DCA
• Integration Server DCA

I have heard that you can load up packages of Manager Server on an existing Integration Server but never tried it myself. (Manager Server is also an IS as such), so that is something that you can try.

Chirag,

Thank you very much for clearing fundamentals on wM Manager.

Do you mean to say that If I dont use manager server at all and use only controller and satellite combination, I can manager IS & Brokers ?

• nilesh

You can:
Use Enterprise DCA and Integration DCA.

Just one word of caution: webMethods is pushing for OMI DCA in future. They may not update these two DCAs.

If you use Manager Server, you can manage Integration Server 6.1 Adapters (ART Connections as well). Something that you may not do very nicely with other DCAs.

Hey chirag,

I really appreciate your help. Still I need to know little more about manager.

If you allow me to call you up and we may discuss on the phone, i would be thankful to you. It may be during weekends or weekdays whatever will be appropriate to you.

My number is 201 566 0748. you can reach me anytime. or you give me your number and let me know the best time I can call you .

Thanks again for all your help.

Regards,
Nilesh

Hello Chirag,

I have a basic architecture which consists of one instance of Manager Server + one Controller + one Satellite ; when I reach the limit of 3 500 Mbeans I wonder which is the best / simplest / efficient way to scale :

1. Adding one Manager Server + one Satellite (or more, of course, depending of the number of objects); it seems this was your choice
2. Deploying Integration Server DCA and Enterprise DCA (it might be enough); I guess Manager Console can handle this.

Another question I have is :
Did you experienced any issue or difficulty having Manager Server and a controller on the same host ?

Regards
Karim

Hi Karim,

We have used Enterprise DCA with just one satellite to manage entire environment before. It works.

Entire monitoring setup that we use is on one host. What is the issue that you are facing?

Hi Chirag,

I’m afraid I missed something about your architecture… Here is my understanding, please let me know me if I am wrong :

First you had one Enterprise DCA associated with one Satellite; that was fine.
So when you scaled your architecture, you deployed OMI DCA and Manager Server; now you use 3 OMI DCA (so 3 Satellites) and 3 Manager Server.
Do I have to understand that all these Controller + Satellites + Manager Servers are installed on the same host ?

Regarding our architecture, I have to monitor (at first) three 4.6 IS. Each of them have about 3 500 Mbeans. I already have one MS, one Satellite and one Controller and I wonder if I should deploy

• two more MS plus two satellites
• or two satellites with two Integration Servers DCA …

I do not know if the problems I am facing are a consequence of having all Manager components on the same host…
These are : desync between Manager Server and Console, ie : Manager Server says an IS is operational, but Manager Console fires the rule IS_Down (I have applied several patches on MS and MC, but still encountering this issue with a 4.6 IS)

Thank you anyway
Karim

Hi,

We moved to OMI because webMethods is going to stop supporting Enterprise DCA.

We run all on same host. The bad part of it could be, having risk of losing monitoring if that fails.

How do you see status of Integration Server on Manager? Do you see it using JMX/OMI HTML Adopter by opening debug port on Manager Server?

The IS we monitor are 4.6 and 4.0.2. We do not have all the latest patches, as patches are added only when we encounter a problem and a patch says that it may fix it. IS are with Manager Server Update.

On Manager Console, I have fix2c. No fix on Manager Server.

I would suggest that you add One IS at a time, if you are approaching 3500 Mbeans, and finding issues should start using second Manager Server and see if you have stability.

Hi,
I Installed Manager Server and Console on two different machine.Manager Server on Unix box and Console(controller and Satellite) on Linux box.I am able to configured the IS and Broker in Manager Server but i am not able to see those from my Manager Console.

Hi Vikrant,

Could you verify that you have mentioned your manager server host and port along with satellite in the following properties file :

<controller_home>/config/local/agent/webMethods/omiexplorer.properties

In addition, are you able to see the OMI agents are deployed properly when you go to Manager console –> Admin –> Satellite information.

HTH …

Regards,
Nilesh

Hi Nilesh,
Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I have mentioned both in OMIExplorer.properties file.

And i am not able to see my OMI Agent (monitor and topology) under Satellite Information.For this i also copied the OMIAgent.properties in (controller/conf/local/agent/webMethods/omi) and Agentlist.properties in (controller/conf/local/controller) and i also uncomment the agents for IS and Broker.

Please suggest me if i need to do apart from this.

Hi Nilesh,
I am getting following error in Controller’s “nohup.out” file

com.dante.analysis.monitor.MonitorRuntimeException: net.sf.hibernate.JDBCException: Could not execute query
at com.dante.analysis.monitor.MonitorRepository.addMonitor(MonitorRepository.java:491)
at com.dante.analysis.monitor.storage.MonitorStorageHibernateImpl$MonitorLoader.run(MonitorStorageHibernateImpl.java:336)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:568)
Caused by: com.objectuniverse.storage.StorageException: net.sf.hibernate.JDBCException: Could not execute query
at com.dante.analysis.warehouse.storage.MonitorDimStorageHibernateImpl.getMonitorDimBean(MonitorDimStorageHibernateImpl.java:177)
at com.dante.analysis.warehouse.storage.MonitorDimStorageHibernateImpl.registerMonitor(MonitorDimStorageHibernateImpl.java:106)
at com.dante.analysis.monitor.MonitorRepository.addMonitor(MonitorRepository.java:488)
… 2 more
Caused by: net.sf.hibernate.JDBCException: Could not execute query
at net.sf.hibernate.impl.SessionImpl.find(SessionImpl.java:1546)
at net.sf.hibernate.impl.QueryImpl.list(QueryImpl.java:39)
at com.dante.analysis.warehouse.storage.MonitorDimStorageHibernateImpl.getMonitorDimBean(MonitorDimStorageHibernateImpl.java:170)
… 4 more
Caused by: java.sql.SQLException: ORA-00904: “MONITORDIM0_”.“MONITOR_SCHEMA”: invalid identifier

    at oracle.jdbc.driver.DatabaseError.throwSqlException(DatabaseError.java:125) 
at oracle.jdbc.driver.T4CTTIoer.processError(T4CTTIoer.java:305) 
at oracle.jdbc.driver.T4CTTIoer.processError(T4CTTIoer.java:272) 
at oracle.jdbc.driver.T4C8Oall.receive(T4C8Oall.java:623) 
at oracle.jdbc.driver.T4CPreparedStatement.doOall8(T4CPreparedStatement.java:181) 
at oracle.jdbc.driver.T4CPreparedStatement.execute_for_describe(T4CPreparedStatement.java:420) 
at oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleStatement.execute_maybe_describe(OracleStatement.java:896) 
at oracle.jdbc.driver.T4CPreparedStatement.execute_maybe_describe(T4CPreparedStatement.java:452) 
at oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleStatement.doExecuteWithTimeout(OracleStatement.java:986) 
at oracle.jdbc.driver.OraclePreparedStatement.executeInternal(OraclePreparedStatement.java:2888) 
at oracle.jdbc.driver.OraclePreparedStatement.executeQuery(OraclePreparedStatement.java:2929) 
at net.sf.hibernate.impl.BatcherImpl.getResultSet(BatcherImpl.java:87) 
at net.sf.hibernate.loader.Loader.getResultSet(Loader.java:800) 
at net.sf.hibernate.loader.Loader.doQuery(Loader.java:189) 
at net.sf.hibernate.loader.Loader.doQueryAndInitializeNonLazyCollections(Loader.java:133) 
at net.sf.hibernate.loader.Loader.doList(Loader.java:955) 
at net.sf.hibernate.loader.Loader.list(Loader.java:946) 
at net.sf.hibernate.hql.QueryTranslator.list(QueryTranslator.java:834) 
at net.sf.hibernate.impl.SessionImpl.find(SessionImpl.java:1543) 
... 6 more

Hi Vikrant,

Regarding your JDBC errors, it looks like something wrong with the database schema creation. When you setup the controller database (like tablespace & others …while you run the database scripts given with controller installation), was there any error while creating the DB Objects ?

Do you have the optimize (manager console) install and admin guide ?
Go to admin guide, there is a section called ‘configure OMI agents’. Please follow the steps to configure the OMI agents from th guide. You are not required to make any changes in OMIAgent.properties file. You have to modify the OMIExplorer.properties file to add your satellite and manager server information.

After modifing that file, you need to restart your satellite.

• nilesh

There was no error while creating the DB object, DB Script file ran successfully.

Regarding the OMIAgent.properties file, yes you are right there is no need to change in this file but for Agentlist.properties file you have to uncomment the Agent for IS and Brokers.

Hello,

Iam new to wM Manager. How can I get all properties of an OMI object?Can anyone help me out?If I want to configure an alert for Manager server thread count, how can I acieve that?

Thanks
Robert

Hi Robert,
You can find out all the available properties of an OMI Object from Manager server console (now optimize). I believe there is one tab called ‘system’ on optimize, where you can first check whether your manager server is available for monitoring or not. If it is, then just go to Admin tab setup rules. While setting up the rules, you can follow ‘Optimize user guide’. From user guide, you will know that before write the rules, you should setup your data filter where you will mention your manager server details like host, port and with component to manage.

As of now, I dont have any available installations of optimize or I could have helped you step by step.
User guide gives you a decent idea for how to setup filter and rules.

HTH

Regards,
Nilesh

Hi Experts,

If I just wanted to bring up and down the IS, how many/which objects do I need to manage per IS.

If there are more than one Manager Server required, do I need to install all of them in one box?

-Pauly

Can someone throw light on how to edit the OMIAgent.properties file to view additional attributes? When attributes(specified in the programmer’s guide) are added to this file, they don’t reflect on the system tab, even after controller and satellite restart. Also, there is no intuitive way to add attributes that are string arrays or object arrays (for eg. ClientGroupNames for EnterpriseAdapters)
Thanks in advance!

It should work if you follow the steps in the webMethods_BAM_Optimize_6.1.5_SP1_and_Manager_Console_6.1.5_Admin_Guide.pdf.
Sometimes the attributes only appear after you’ve also added the attributes to the Model.properties and the ConfigureUIProperties.properties files.
And of course the attributes have to be part of the OMI specification. You can check this on the Manager Server by enabling the debug port, and check the Agent View page .

Hi,

question regarding Manager and Manager Console. I have installed the manager and from the manager i am also able to search for various Integration Severs across the network and i am also able add them to the list of Integration Servers. And Broker servers also.

Manager 6.1.5 with fixes IS_6-1_Fix1
Manager_6-1-5_Fix1
Manager_6-1-5_Fix3
Manager_6-1-5_Fix4

optimize 6.1.5

( i ) My problem is when i go into my Manager Console i am not able to view the added Integration Server under the Object …I am not getting any information for the IS in object datafilter and Attribute Datafilter. When i select the packages filter to update im getting the following error

com.wm.ism.OmiRuntimeMBeanException: RuntimeException thrown in preRegister method
java.lang.ClassCastException
at omi.wm.devkit.OmiMBeanInfo.writeData(OmiMBeanInfo.java:112)
at omi.wm.devkit.OmiMBeanInfo.calculateVersionUID(OmiMBeanInfo.java:64)
at omi.wm.devkit.OmiMBeanInfo.(OmiMBeanInfo.java:46)
at com.wm.ism.OmiMBeanServerImpl.mergeMBeanInfo(OmiMBeanServerImpl.java:1063)
at com.wm.ism.OmiMBeanServerImpl.getMBeanInfoInt(OmiMBeanServerImpl.java:568)
at com.wm.ism.OmiMBeanServerImpl.getMBeanInfo(OmiMBeanServerImpl.java:502)
at wm.ism.agent.jmx.getMBeanInfo(jmx.java:768)
at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor3043.invoke(Unknown Source)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:324)
at com.wm.app.b2b.server.JavaService.baseInvoke(JavaService.java:287)
at com.wm.app.b2b.server.invoke.InvokeManager.process(InvokeManager.java:587)
at com.wm.app.b2b.server.invoke.StatisticsProcessor.process(StatisticsProcessor.java:44)
at com.wm.app.b2b.server.invoke.ServiceCompletionImpl.process(ServiceCompletionImpl.java:229)
at com.wm.app.b2b.server.invoke.ValidateProcessor.process(ValidateProcessor.java:49)
at com.wm.app.b2b.server.ACLManager.process(ACLManager.java:194)
at com.wm.app.b2b.server.invoke.DispatchProcessor.process(DispatchProcessor.java:39)
at com.wm.app.b2b.server.AuditLogManager.process(AuditLogManager.java:403)
at com.wm.app.b2b.server.invoke.InvokeManager.invoke(InvokeManager.java:503)
at com.wm.app.b2b.server.invoke.InvokeManager.invoke(InvokeManager.java:367)
at com.wm.app.b2b.server.ServiceManager.invoke(ServiceManager.java:246)
at com.wm.app.b2b.server.ServiceManager.invoke(ServiceManager.java:128)
at com.wm.app.b2b.server.HTTPInvokeHandler._process(HTTPInvokeHandler.java:139)
at com.wm.app.b2b.server.InvokeHandler.process(InvokeHandler.java:113)
at com.wm.app.b2b.server.Dispatch.run(Dispatch.java:298)
at com.wm.util.pool.PooledThread.run

I am able to view all the Broker Server related information.
Deployed agents are
Disk Space Agent
Internal Monitor Support
Java Virtual Machine Monitor (memory)
Monitor Messenger
Process Messenger
webMethods OMI Monitor Agent
webMethods OMI Topology Agent

Thanks in advance