Hello all,
Sorry to create a new thread for this migration issues. However, I didn’t not see the information in previous threads. We are currently looking to migrate from 6.5 to 8.x and have been told by SoftwareAG that this is not possible. They have not given any hard evidence of issues concerning this but have pushed hard to have their Professional Services perform this migration for us. Our company is hesitant to take on this extra cost as we have handled other upgrades, IS 4.6 to 6.5 and BRK 5.x to 6.5 in-house. We have a couple hundred IS instances (prod and non-prod) and over a dozen broker servers so we would prefer not to have the overhead of migrating to 7.1.2 before going to 8.x. We have numerous applications under this tool along with outside clients and regression testing we have to concern ourselves with and this leads to a lot of off-hours work/testing. If anyone knows of concrete evidence of incompatability between 6.5 and 8.x I’d appreciate any postings.

Andy

Even,I believe its better go with step-wise upgrade approach:
WM upgrade 6.5 SP2 (already stable) ->7.1.2 SP2(very stable) - > 8.0 SP1(once it becomes more stable)

[URL=“http://techcommunity.softwareag.com/ecosystem/documentation/webmethods/wmsuite8_ga/Cross_Product/8-x_webMethods_Upgrade_Guide.pdf”]http://techcommunity.softwareag.com/ecosystem/documentation/...rade_Guide.pdf[/URL]

Sorry,i know you are looking for legitimate proof,will get you more details if possible.

HTH,
RMG

You can migrate directly from 6.5 to 8.0, however the scripts given by wM REQUIRES you to perform a 6.5 → 7.1 → 8.0.

This means you would need to get a valid 7.1 running before you can move to 8.0, no need to get 7.1 on production

The database structure has change between versions, and while trying to reuse existing database you need to know internal structures, which you don’t.

Process for converting database requires then to execute the mirgration for the current suplied chain.

For instance 6.5 processes ran in Modeler, and stored in a repository inside WmModeler package. There is a tool for extracting this models and adapt them to new internals from 6.5 to 7.1, however not directly to 8.0. Unless you build your own tool then again the 6.5 → 7.1 → 8.0 stands.

Not to mention the new cluster settings getting rid of Repo servers and using now tangosol.

Depending what you need to migrate TN, Monitor/PRT, BAM etc the migration will be easier or harder.

The effort to build a migration tool is cost intensive, and jumping over 2 versions is not a common task, and not worth the investment.

There are many reasons why you would prefer when having 200+ IS’s and 12+ Brokers, to be done by PS. Still you can choose doing it yourselves.

You will require at least 3x the time with same resources, make your numbers and decide what will be best for you.

Well said DevNull43…Interesting tips/comments really!

Yep Its interesting and also informative. Thanks for sharing.

I m busy in my final project of cheap web hosting.

Thanks for the input. Since we do not use any database components, and limited IS/Broker functionality we are able to make the movement directly to 8.0. For our Optimize portions we are building new due to the fact we have one instance there. Our biggest issue has been the conversion from proprietory certificate management to Java’s Keystore. What a pain if you’re not familiar with that.

The code migrations were not impacted hugely and about 90% is working so far. Thanks for the input.

Now there’s even a migration utility to perform 6.5 → 8.0 without the need to jump thru 7.1.

You can download it from empower.

Nice move!

I just used the Migration tool for certificates and ports and that worked very well.

DevNull43,
Can you tell where to get this migration utility (6.5 to 8.0 without 7.1)?
I can’t find it under empower.
Thanks,

I found it:
Home > Knowledge Center > Product Fixes > Fix Explorer (Single Fixes)
under Integration Server, 8.0
IS_8.0_SP1_Migration_Fix1
Just tested out on Client Certs, works fine.

Not only the fix1, but also the upgrade guide has been updated to explain migration steps for direct jump from 6.5 to 8.0.

Step by step is explained here [url]http://techcommunity.softwareag.com/ecosystem/documentation/webmethods/wmsuite8_ga/Cross_Product/8-x_webMethods_Upgrade_Guide.pdf[/url]

Just follow the 6.5 to 8.0 upgrade for all your components.

Good luck!

Hi Dev,

I have a question regarding this migration utility… I m trying to upgrade 6.5 to 8.x (side by side upgrade) source and target machines are different… when i m running this migration utility it looks for installed directory of 6.5 system… how can we pass different hostsystems in that parameter…

did anybody tried it?

-nD

Migrations are supposed to be on same HOST, and I don’t think what you want to achieve is supported by the tool, but contact wM support and ask them as I’m not 100% sure. ( I never tried your scenario).

I somehow agree to this point, but still this a valid scenerio and currently in situation as well. Generally customers take the opportunity to scale their systems with application upgrade so this kinda scenerio’s are possible in upgrades

well i know one work around for this situation i tried to copy the entire webMethods directory from source (6.5) machine to new machine (8.x) and brought up the repository server by editing the configuration files. Migration utility wokred well in this way, parallely i have a logged a SR with webMethods technical support to see if they can suggest some better way.

Will keep you posted.

thnx!

Well migration means you run a server with one product version, and you upgrade to a newer one. It’s true wM 6.5 has some years, and servers running it also needs to be upgraded.

You plug in a new server with newer hardware ( more powerfull in CPU and RAM ), and you want to do all at same time, upgrade wM version but installing in a new HW.

That’s a perfectly valid use case, however it’s not only a “migration”.
You can “tar” all wM directory and move to the new HOST, however many references to old hostname will exist on many config files, doing a regexp search/replace should overcome this, and then once moved you perform the “migration” in the new HW. Again this is a 2 step change.

It would be lovely of course if migration tool would do all this for you in a 1 step, so let use know the answer to your SR

Well,I was just going through the entire thread; but I have some other issues. Currently I am planning was ding some research on the migration from wM 7.1 to 8.0 using a migration tool.
I am upto designing such a “Migration tool” that would do this migration.Now I have the following questions:

1. Is it possible to have such a migration tool that would migrate the code from 7.1 to 8.0 platform?

Request you to let me know with your suggestions on the above so that I can have some idea during the initial ideation phase.

regards,
Suvankar

There is a migration utility which does it for you… and comes with product… so guess you can use the same instead of getting your own one

Ok.I believe I will have to install this utility as it does not come as a default while installing the IS.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

It does come with the default installation, you can find it in
IntegrationServer\bin\Migrate directories…

-nD

I am back to the above question. I have my 6.5 installation over Linux 4, however wM8 needs Linux 5. What should be the approach?

Yes, there is a working solution for these secenrio’s you need to take the image of your integration server (in zip) format to the target system and you can pass on path of the this zip image for your system directory… this is documented in new upgrade guide to 8.x. I tried it myself for my current project and it works well.

Let me know if you have any more questions on this item.

cheers!
naren

Hello All,

I went through the whole thread, I even understood tit-bits of it.
According to what I read, I need to migrate from 6.5 SP2 to 8.0, where I have two option for it, either go by 6.5 → 7.1 → 8.0 or migrate directly 6.5 → 8.0.

In my case, TN and Developer are heavily used, as we have more than 200 partners and there are various types of transactions occurring, that too every second. Because of which database is also used very much.

So which would be a suitable path for me. Please advise.
And, I searched for the document of migration. SoftwareAG have stopped taking new user registrations, and it is not available in Empower site.

Regards,
Suvigya.

Migration path 6.5 → 8.x is certified and supported by SAG, so i don’t see any specific neccessity to go for 6.5 → 7.x → 8.x.
SAG provides the migration utility which take care of each component you mentioned, having said that if you have Optimize/AE in your environment then you have to migrate those components manually.

Fyi, you don’t have to create a account to download documentation… you can get the upgrade guide from below link.

[URL]http://techcommunity.softwareag.com/ecosystem/documentation/webmethods/wmsuites/wmsuite8_ga/Cross_Product/8-x_webMethods_Upgrade_Guide.pdf[/URL]

hope it helps!

-naren

Hello Naren,
Thanks for the advise, I would follow that.
And yes, I am able to download the document, so now, will read and ask further doubts, if any.

But thanks a lot.

Regards,
Suvigya

Hi,
I have empower extra KB+ access.Can u tell me from where,i can download this utilty tool.