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PAW and Windows Server 2022

  • 1.  PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Thu May 02, 2024 03:50 PM

    In the recent AMA it was mentioned that Windows Server 2022 was going to be supported.  For PAW, is this imminent or will this still be a few months off?

    Dean Watts



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    Dean Watts
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  • 2.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Fri May 03, 2024 07:30 AM

    I have an early build of Planning Analytics Workspace 2.0.96 running on Windows Server 2022.   I cannot provide a guarantee, but it should be imminent (the 2.0.96 and 2.1.3 releases in late May).



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    Stuart King
    IBM Planning Analytics Offering Manager
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  • 3.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Thu May 30, 2024 10:28 AM

    Hi Stuart,

    2.0.96 was released on the 28th but I can't find anything that states support for Windows Server 2022 in the documentation or the What's New updates.

    Can you confirm whether or not this made it into the release, and if not when you might be expecting it?

    Regards,

    George



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    George Williams
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  • 4.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Thu May 30, 2024 10:49 AM

    Hi George,

    Windows Server 2022 is supported with PAW 2.0.96.   The supported environments page (https://www.ibm.com/software/reports/compatibility/clarity-reports/report/html/osForProduct?deliverableId=0C4568D098EC11E9A83D99924272C08A&osPlatforms=Linux|Windows&duComponentIds=D003|D002|D001|S008|S006|S007) is being updated this week.  You should see Windows Server 2022 support on this page by the end of this week.

    Did you download PAW 2.0.96 from IBM Fix Central yet?  The kit for Windows Sevrer 2022 has win_2022 in the file name. 



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    Stuart King
    IBM Planning Analytics Offering Manager
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  • 5.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Thu May 30, 2024 11:57 AM

    Excellent news!

    I haven't downloaded it yet, but will ensure I get the correct one now.

    Thanks Stuart!



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    George Williams
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  • 6.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Fri May 31, 2024 09:46 AM

    Hello Stuart,

    we already have a 2.0.95 installation running on a Server 2022. Is there any specific procedure for upgrading to 2.0.96 now or just the usual procedure for upgrading PAW?

    Kind regards
    Matthias



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    Matthias Holthus
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  • 7.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Fri May 31, 2024 10:09 AM

    Hi Matthias,

    Are you talking about PAW 2.0.95 on Windows Server 2022?  I didn't think this was possible.  Can you tell us which deployment kit you used (e.g the 2019 deployment kit)?

     



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    Stuart King
    IBM Planning Analytics Offering Manager
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  • 8.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Fri May 31, 2024 06:05 PM

    Hi,

    ah, sorry, you're right, I mixed that up. PAW was on RHEL 9.3, only all other components were already on Windows Server 2022.



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    Matthias Holthus
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  • 9.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Thu July 11, 2024 05:27 AM

    Hi Stuart,

    I have just been planning our install of PAW 2.0.96, which will be a locally installed PAW Distributed. We can either use Windows Server 2022 or RHEL 8. Am I right in thinking that I have the following options:

    1. Windows Server 2022 - Mirantis Container Runtime (will need a paid licence)
    2. RHEL 8 - OpenShift Entry Level (will need a paid licence)
    3. RHEL 8 - Docker Engine (free)

    Alternatively, if we were to just go with PAW Local:

    1. Windows Server 2022 - Mirantis Container Runtime (will need a paid licence)
    2. RHEL 8 - Podman (free)

    I also noted that https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/planning-analytics/2.0.0?topic=configuration-installing-planning-analytics-workspace-local doesn't have an entry for Windows Server 2022 - but just assumed this hasn't been updated yet so I followed the 2019 parameters.



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    George Williams
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  • 10.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Thu July 11, 2024 08:53 AM

    The current deployment options for PAW 2.0.96+ are this:

    1 - Windows Server 2019 or 2022 with Mirantis Container Runtime.   A paid license is required based on infomration provided by Mirantis.

    2 - RHEL 8 or 9 using Podman.  Podman does not require a separate license and would be supported through Red Hat. 

    3 - Red Hat OpenShift.  OpenShift is typically deployed on a cluster of servers.  Note that OpenShift can be deployed on premise (on your own hardware) or as a managed service on a cloud provider like AWS, Azure, or IBM Cloud.  The OS under OpenShift is largely irrelevant (OpenShift is more or less an OS for a cluster of servers). 



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    Stuart King
    IBM Planning Analytics Offering Manager
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  • 11.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Thu July 11, 2024 09:31 AM

    Thanks for the clarification Stuart.

    Just to confirm, we can run PAW distributed using Podman pods?



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    George Williams
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  • 12.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Thu July 11, 2024 11:05 AM

    The container images for the distributed variant of PAW and the non-distributed variant are the same.  Note that when you download a current release of PAW from the IBM Fix Central or IBM Passport Advantage web portals there are separate downloads for the distributed and non-distributed variants.   The distributed kit contains the extra scripts and config files to deploy on OpenShift.



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    Stuart King
    IBM Planning Analytics Offering Manager
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  • 13.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Tue July 16, 2024 09:25 AM

    Dear Stuart

    When I read in the release notes of PAW 2.1.3 that IBM 2022 will be supported I thought to have a solution the CentOS based Docker environement that IBM was supporting earlier. So I recommended the customer to setup a 2022 Windows server. Now I realized that the customer has to buy a yearly Mirantis Support fee of 900 USD just to run the Docker Image of PAw.

    Are there other ways to run the Docker environment? Is Moby supported? or is there a Open source Linux like Debian that can be used? The strange thing is that the customer knows that Docker is an open source project. There fore we get bad press when we tell then that they have to buy another Service (not from IBM) to do that. Besides that, this is a Microsoft Windows shop as all servers run on Microsoft. We used to recommend Debian and PAW worked fine on that. But we want to run officially from IBM supported environment. 

    Any Idea on that?



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    Philipp Stocker
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  • 14.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Tue July 16, 2024 09:25 AM

    Dear Stuart

    We used to run the Docker environment on Debian (worked super fine) then we moved to the supported CentOS environment (worked super fine) and now the customer wants to move to Windows 2022. We realize that we have to pay USD 900 p.a. for the Mirantis support. Are there other options for the latest PAW version?

    I saw that the file docker-compose-Windows-x86_64.exe is shipped with the IBM Software. Can we run the Docker Container with Docker-compose on Windows?

    The link in the read_me file is this one here: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSD29G_2.0.0   Is there an installation guide for 10.

    Any help is appreciated.

    Frank Ihringer 



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    Philipp Stocker
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  • 15.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Tue July 16, 2024 03:05 PM

    Hi Philipp,

    My previous comment in this thread lists all of the different deployment options for Planning Analytics Workspace.

    I would suspect that PAW could run on CentOS, Debian, and other variants of Linux.  My team only tests with Windows Server and Red Hat Enterprise Linux so we can only list those operating systems as supported environments.  The list of supported environment reflects what IBM tests, not what actually works if it were to be tested.  

    Docker (the container runtime) and Docker-Compose are two different things.  You need both a container runtime and Docker-Compose to run the non-OpenShift variant of PAW.  Docker-Compose is the component that allows our containers to talk to each other (provides the internal network used by the containers on the host). 

     I'm not clear about your question regarding the installation guide for 10.  The PAW install documentation is found here: https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/planning-analytics/2.0.0?topic=configuration-installing-planning-analytics-workspace-local



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    Stuart King
    IBM Planning Analytics Offering Manager
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  • 16.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Wed July 17, 2024 04:39 AM

    I can confirm that PAW runs happily on Ubuntu based distros - I run it on PopOS on a dual boot mini PC.

    PAL (TM1) needs a distro closer to RH. I used to run it on Centos 7 but with the changes in Centos I have abandoned that and gone for AlmaLinux 8.7. This is running under VMWare Workstation 17.

    Both of these are for testing and R&D only. I'm not planning to raise any support tickets for either....



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    David Usherwood
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  • 17.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Thu July 18, 2024 03:40 AM

    The difference being that PAW is containerized and TM1, v11, is not. If you want to run TM1 v11 anywhere simply package it up using RedHat's Universal Base Image (UBI) and happily deploy it on essentially any Linux distro. Just saying in case you want some more flexibility/fun in your testing/R&D environments.



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    Hubert Heijkers
    STSM, Program Director TM1 Functional Database Technology and OData Evangelist
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  • 18.  RE: PAW and Windows Server 2022

    Posted Thu July 18, 2024 03:55 AM

    Dear Hubert, Stuart, Bernd, David and others

    Thank you very much for your valuable information. The installation on Windows 2022 went fine with Mirantis. Bernd Sieberts Company is a perfect option in case Mirantis Support and LIcensing is needed. -  As we are using Debian throughout all of our infrastructure components (including Proxmox / CEPH Hypervisor Cluster) we appreciate a lot that we can run the IBM Environments also there. TM1 Server on Windows is fine for us but for the PAw Component a lightweight Linux-based host is a nice option.

    Regards

    Frank 



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    Frank Ihringer
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