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Is mainframe survive in future

  • 1.  Is mainframe survive in future

    Posted Wed April 14, 2021 12:50 PM
    Is mainframe survive in future because currently most of the organisation migrate their workload from mainframe to cloud. In future we can seen any stable upgradation in mainframe with latest technology so that organisation can choose mainframe for its first priority.

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    SHUBHAM MISHRA
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  • 2.  RE: Is mainframe survive in future

    Posted Wed April 14, 2021 12:58 PM
    On 2021-04-15 02:50, SHUBHAM MISHRA via IBM Community wrote:
    > Is mainframe survive in future because currently most of the
    > organisation migrate their workload from mainframe to cloud.

    Cloud does computing? Supplies compilers?

    > In future
    > we can seen any stable upgradation in mainframe with latest technology
    > so that organisation can choose mainframe for its first priority.


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  • 3.  RE: Is mainframe survive in future

    Posted Wed April 14, 2021 04:10 PM
    We supply all compilers and allow the MSU's to be consumed in our datacenters feeing up the MSU's in yours.


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  • 4.  RE: Is mainframe survive in future

    Posted Wed April 14, 2021 01:39 PM
    Yes, it will ;-)

    Products survive as long as there is an active community around them and as long as customers like them. I think, we've got both for the Mainframe.

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    Volker Birk
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  • 5.  RE: Is mainframe survive in future

    Posted Fri April 16, 2021 04:26 AM
    Yes is the simple answer. Mainframes process around 70% of the production computing in the world for about 7% of the global spend on IT. An you can get mainframe compute in the cloud as well.

    As for "The latest technology" the mainframe IS the latest technology, around a decade ahead of so-called "latest technologies". Just because it can still run old software doesn't mean it is old.

    The basic controls on the latest fighter jet are the same as any fighter from WW1 - are they old technology, or is it just sensible so we don't have to retrain all the pilots every time we get new jets?

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    Julian Smallman
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  • 6.  RE: Is mainframe survive in future

    Posted Mon April 19, 2021 08:38 AM
    It's important to understand what IBM Z does for clients to understand why it is not going away.  It provides the back end process that 44 of the top 50 global banks use, it is used by the top insurance providers, airlines, retailers.  IBM Z hardware is the most modern designed hardware to provide a reliable system.  It runs many different operating systems, including Linux and OpenShift which allows applications to run in the appropriate location.  z/OS has been designed as an operating system that has a built in set of capabilities to allow applications to be built in more reliable way as well.  It provides the transactional reliability so that developers can focus on building the application, rather than having to do all the work to build a reliable application on unreliable hardware.  The second thing to remember is that there are so many existing applications that have been designed and developed on z/OS already that it will be more efficient to continuously improve the existing assets than to try to rewrite them.  Another important point is that the reality will be clients will end up with a hybrid cloud, and the z/OS applications can fit into a full CI/CD pipeline and be handled just as any other application in the cloud.  This common development practice can remove the friction today caused by slow development times for mainframe application.  

    IBM Z is here to stay.

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    Rosalind Radcliffe
    Distinguished Engineer| Chief Architect for DevOps for Enteprise Systems
    IBM
    Durham NC
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  • 7.  RE: Is mainframe survive in future

    Posted Mon April 19, 2021 09:16 AM
    Shubham,

    You mention 'migrate their workload from mainframe to cloud" the premise of your comment is that the mainframe is not a cloud.  On this point we disagree.  Cloud is not a destination but rather a compute paradigm.  Private cloud is just as much a cloud as public cloud.  Clients are increasing consider mainframe a key constituent of their private cloud for mission critical workloads.

    Also 'mainframe' is part of the public cloud, be that in multiple MSP's or System Integrators where they provide Mainframe-aaS or if you look at the underpinning chip architecture behind IBM Cloud Hyper Protect.

    So mainframe and cloud are in a lot of cases one in the same.

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    STEVEN DICKENS
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  • 8.  RE: Is mainframe survive in future

    Posted Mon April 19, 2021 10:00 AM
    I find this discussion amusing ;-) pEp is porting all software products to this platform because the customers are asking for it. Why do we discuss if a platform like the Mainframe can persist while there are customers wanting it? ;-)

    LinuxONE is a Linux Cloud platform. It competes with Linux/POWER inside the IBM, and with other Linux/Cloud platforms outside the IBM. And if I compare features it's not behind but keeping up and in some points ahead. If sales does no big mistakes it is a no-brainer that it deserves and gets a market share.

    Ironically in this discussion, our customers (mainly the banks) are asking for z/OS solutions. And why not? They've got plenty of software running there, so why should they all switch? We've got customers who don't use the Mainframe (any more), some still use it but try to use other platforms for new systems, and we have people who just LOVE the mainframe as the best platform for their needs. The Mainframe still has a fan club.

    I'm comparable new to the Mainframe. It's only two years now. We're developing not only for Linux but for USS as well as for MVS. Yes, we're porting software, which we're already using on Apple iOS, Apple macOS, Google Android, Microsoft Windows, GNU/Linux including RHEL to IBM z/OS.

    Is there new software being developed and ported for the Mainframe? Of course, there is! And why? Because users and customers want it!

    Question: Can this discussion survive in future, or should we just quit it? ;-)

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    Volker Birk
    p≡p project
    https://pEp.software
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  • 9.  RE: Is mainframe survive in future

    Posted Fri May 14, 2021 02:20 PM
    I agree with the previous responses and just want to add that another prerequisite to continued MF success is that IBM improve and modernize the OS ecosystems. In my 40+ years, from MVS to z/OS, I have never seen IBM more committed to improving this. As long as I see IBM taking this seriously, I'd say the future for the MF is bright.

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    Ed Peters
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  • 10.  RE: Is mainframe survive in future

    Posted Thu October 07, 2021 07:58 AM
    Hi Shubham, super great question!  I think it will survive.  In my experience, I see many clients that have been using my companies mainframe products for decades and refuse to change to our 'newer' versions of the same product because their mainframe product works, it is fast, and it is reliable.  Why change something that works?  But our company is incorporating newer technologies to be used with the mainframe to support new industry requirements.  

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    Kari Nagle
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