HMC HW Appliance 7063-CR1 will not support managing Power server models beyond Power10.

Any idea if they will be releasing a new HMC or should I Just start the process to replace the CR1s with CR2s now?   Thanks Jaqui

HMC HW Appliance 7063-CR1 will not support managing Power server models beyond Power10.

I have no idea if a new Power based HMC is in the works.  I used to have x86 physical HMC's and moved to vHMC on x86.  I would never go back to physical HMC's again.

Any idea if they will be releasing a new HMC or should I Just start the process to replace the CR1s with CR2s now?   Thanks Jaqui

HMC HW Appliance 7063-CR1 will not support managing Power server models beyond Power10.

Hi Robert
What's your opinion about the vHMC in x86 in terms of speed and availability ?
You ever try vHMC  in Power?

I have no idea if a new Power based HMC is in the works.  I used to have x86 physical HMC's and moved to vHMC on x86.  I would never go back to physical HMC's again.

Any idea if they will be releasing a new HMC or should I Just start the process to replace the CR1s with CR2s now?   Thanks Jaqui

HMC HW Appliance 7063-CR1 will not support managing Power server models beyond Power10.

I have zero complaints about the vHMC as far as speed and reliability.  We have two data centers.  One in Grand Rapids MI and one in Indianapolis IN.  Each has 1 or 2 Power systems.  Each has their own VM center and each VM center has an instance of vHMC.  Either vHMC can control the Power system(s) in the other data center.  I'm totally comfortable upgrading and patching the HMC's midday, midweek.

This works great for us.  Any script kiddie can set up a VM instance, understand how to do a snapshot, get to the console screen, etc.  Why would I want to use vHMC on Power other than to complicate the pool of people who can work on it?

We've been through vCenter upgrades, etc.

Hi Robert
What's your opinion about the vHMC in x86 in terms of speed and availability ?
You ever try vHMC  in Power?

I have no idea if a new Power based HMC is in the works.  I used to have x86 physical HMC's and moved to vHMC on x86.  I would never go back to physical HMC's again.

Any idea if they will be releasing a new HMC or should I Just start the process to replace the CR1s with CR2s now?   Thanks Jaqui

HMC HW Appliance 7063-CR1 will not support managing Power server models beyond Power10.

Hi Robert
What's your opinion about the vHMC in x86 in terms of speed and availability ?
You ever try vHMC  in Power?

I have no idea if a new Power based HMC is in the works.  I used to have x86 physical HMC's and moved to vHMC on x86.  I would never go back to physical HMC's again.

Any idea if they will be releasing a new HMC or should I Just start the process to replace the CR1s with CR2s now?   Thanks Jaqui

HMC HW Appliance 7063-CR1 will not support managing Power server models beyond Power10.

Any idea if they will be releasing a new HMC or should I Just start the process to replace the CR1s with CR2s now?   Thanks Jaqui

HMC HW Appliance 7063-CR1 will not support managing Power server models beyond Power10.

I'd personally wait until an official P11 announcement or when it becomes clear. I didn't see any information about new HMC types, but what would happen if you order new CR2 HMCs together with P11?

Any idea if they will be releasing a new HMC or should I Just start the process to replace the CR1s with CR2s now?   Thanks Jaqui

HMC HW Appliance 7063-CR1 will not support managing Power server models beyond Power10.

HMC HW Appliance 7063-CR1 will not support managing Power server models beyond Power10.

Some time ago IBM discontinued dedicated x86 based HMC's.  Now you have dedicated HMC's on Power, Power based vHMC and x86 based vHMC.

Will the dedicated HMC on Power go the way of the dedicated HMC on x86?  Will those who insist on a dedicated HMC physical appliance be lumped into the same category as those who want to bring back a twinax port for the system console or those who want to bring back the S/38 operator screen?

HMC HW Appliance 7063-CR1 will not support managing Power server models beyond Power10.

IMHO - I will say probably not in the short term and where is why :
On the bigger iron , the SSR ( the old CE ) need the access via HMC for repairs/diag , etc.etc.
I think ( and I could EASILY be wrong on this one ) that it is required to have at least one physical HMC.  Of course dual HMCs for redundancy / eliminating SPOF is preferred and that second one can easily and often is a vHMC.
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Similarly , over on mainframe LinuxONE systems, I believe their HMCs are normally in pairs if memory servers me.

Some time ago IBM discontinued dedicated x86 based HMC's.  Now you have dedicated HMC's on Power, Power based vHMC and x86 based vHMC.

Will the dedicated HMC on Power go the way of the dedicated HMC on x86?  Will those who insist on a dedicated HMC physical appliance be lumped into the same category as those who want to bring back a twinax port for the system console or those who want to bring back the S/38 operator screen?

HMC HW Appliance 7063-CR1 will not support managing Power server models beyond Power10.

There is no requirement to have a physical HMC.  None.  There are numerous Power systems with no hmc, either physical or virtual.  Quite common in the IBM i world where they use something called LAN Console.  My side gig has me accessing their system and no one on site currently even knows how to access that Lan Console, but I can remotely.  It is no local physical device, it's simply software.  Oh, and IBM has been there twice lately to replace disk drives and did not use the lan console but only used a local 5250 session.  

There was a clause about being able to get to the system console (hmc not mentioned) if necessary.  For replacing disks, it was not.

One goal is to get their IT department upgraded from the old Client Access to iACS and show them how to use Lan Console.

IMHO - I will say probably not in the short term and where is why :
On the bigger iron , the SSR ( the old CE ) need the access via HMC for repairs/diag , etc.etc.
I think ( and I could EASILY be wrong on this one ) that it is required to have at least one physical HMC.  Of course dual HMCs for redundancy / eliminating SPOF is preferred and that second one can easily and often is a vHMC.
~
Similarly , over on mainframe LinuxONE systems, I believe their HMCs are normally in pairs if memory servers me.

Some time ago IBM discontinued dedicated x86 based HMC's.  Now you have dedicated HMC's on Power, Power based vHMC and x86 based vHMC.

Will the dedicated HMC on Power go the way of the dedicated HMC on x86?  Will those who insist on a dedicated HMC physical appliance be lumped into the same category as those who want to bring back a twinax port for the system console or those who want to bring back the S/38 operator screen?

HMC HW Appliance 7063-CR1 will not support managing Power server models beyond Power10.

There is no requirement to have a physical HMC.  None.  There are numerous Power systems with no hmc, either physical or virtual.  Quite common in the IBM i world where they use something called LAN Console.  My side gig has me accessing their system and no one on site currently even knows how to access that Lan Console, but I can remotely.  It is no local physical device, it's simply software.  Oh, and IBM has been there twice lately to replace disk drives and did not use the lan console but only used a local 5250 session.  

There was a clause about being able to get to the system console (hmc not mentioned) if necessary.  For replacing disks, it was not.

One goal is to get their IT department upgraded from the old Client Access to iACS and show them how to use Lan Console.

IMHO - I will say probably not in the short term and where is why :
On the bigger iron , the SSR ( the old CE ) need the access via HMC for repairs/diag , etc.etc.
I think ( and I could EASILY be wrong on this one ) that it is required to have at least one physical HMC.  Of course dual HMCs for redundancy / eliminating SPOF is preferred and that second one can easily and often is a vHMC.
~
Similarly , over on mainframe LinuxONE systems, I believe their HMCs are normally in pairs if memory servers me.

Some time ago IBM discontinued dedicated x86 based HMC's.  Now you have dedicated HMC's on Power, Power based vHMC and x86 based vHMC.

Will the dedicated HMC on Power go the way of the dedicated HMC on x86?  Will those who insist on a dedicated HMC physical appliance be lumped into the same category as those who want to bring back a twinax port for the system console or those who want to bring back the S/38 operator screen?

HMC HW Appliance 7063-CR1 will not support managing Power server models beyond Power10.

Hi Robert
As an SSR, I need access to hmc to perform system checking, follow detailed repair actions from the R&V /service events or exchange FRu menus, or simply monitor boot sequence or service events, collect logs, perforr system connection during installs and check FSP/eBMC status,, access ASmi ...
I understand vHMC looks like a more suitable solution for customers but this is also a pain for us when support need log collection or problem analysis on the fly,  because many customers don't provide a console  /remote access to vHMC. Some even ask us to provide guidance by phone (with ambient noise, language difficulties because admin management is most likely in another country...) without even seeing result of what's going on on screen, and sometimes things goes bad, more or less, and loosing a lot of time then, which is a high costy in some situations. Not mentionning the changes in GUI organisation that is not helping ... 
That's why we usually recommand, in case customer don't want 7063 appliance, at least, an hybrid solution with  one local HMC.
If it is not an option (onjce again I understand the reasons), the customer need to  provide a way to access to vHMC (s) from a local console in DC, with credentials, to allow  us to do our work with efficiency. and, as you are , be prepared to do updates/upgrade  on his own , and provide necessary logs to support team when necessary.

So far no news for a brand new 7063 that could replace CR2 model.
Best regards

There is no requirement to have a physical HMC.  None.  There are numerous Power systems with no hmc, either physical or virtual.  Quite common in the IBM i world where they use something called LAN Console.  My side gig has me accessing their system and no one on site currently even knows how to access that Lan Console, but I can remotely.  It is no local physical device, it's simply software.  Oh, and IBM has been there twice lately to replace disk drives and did not use the lan console but only used a local 5250 session.  

There was a clause about being able to get to the system console (hmc not mentioned) if necessary.  For replacing disks, it was not.

One goal is to get their IT department upgraded from the old Client Access to iACS and show them how to use Lan Console.

IMHO - I will say probably not in the short term and where is why :
On the bigger iron , the SSR ( the old CE ) need the access via HMC for repairs/diag , etc.etc.
I think ( and I could EASILY be wrong on this one ) that it is required to have at least one physical HMC.  Of course dual HMCs for redundancy / eliminating SPOF is preferred and that second one can easily and often is a vHMC.
~
Similarly , over on mainframe LinuxONE systems, I believe their HMCs are normally in pairs if memory servers me.

Some time ago IBM discontinued dedicated x86 based HMC's.  Now you have dedicated HMC's on Power, Power based vHMC and x86 based vHMC.

Will the dedicated HMC on Power go the way of the dedicated HMC on x86?  Will those who insist on a dedicated HMC physical appliance be lumped into the same category as those who want to bring back a twinax port for the system console or those who want to bring back the S/38 operator screen?

HMC HW Appliance 7063-CR1 will not support managing Power server models beyond Power10.

ASMI?  Anyone internal to our network can get to that by pointing a browser to the right location.

hmc stuff?  Anyone internal to our network can get to that by pointing a browser to the right location.

Ergonomically, it's best if someone let's you use their computer in a location close to the Power system.

Or, you can use the EXACT, SAME, kvm used by our vmserver which used to also be shared with our last physical HMC.  Just a few more steps to point it to the vmserver, and fire up console access to the vHMC instance.

Hi Robert
As an SSR, I need access to hmc to perform system checking, follow detailed repair actions from the R&V /service events or exchange FRu menus, or simply monitor boot sequence or service events, collect logs, perforr system connection during installs and check FSP/eBMC status,, access ASmi ...
I understand vHMC looks like a more suitable solution for customers but this is also a pain for us when support need log collection or problem analysis on the fly,  because many customers don't provide a console  /remote access to vHMC. Some even ask us to provide guidance by phone (with ambient noise, language difficulties because admin management is most likely in another country...) without even seeing result of what's going on on screen, and sometimes things goes bad, more or less, and loosing a lot of time then, which is a high costy in some situations. Not mentionning the changes in GUI organisation that is not helping ... 
That's why we usually recommand, in case customer don't want 7063 appliance, at least, an hybrid solution with  one local HMC.
If it is not an option (onjce again I understand the reasons), the customer need to  provide a way to access to vHMC (s) from a local console in DC, with credentials, to allow  us to do our work with efficiency. and, as you are , be prepared to do updates/upgrade  on his own , and provide necessary logs to support team when necessary.

So far no news for a brand new 7063 that could replace CR2 model.
Best regards

There is no requirement to have a physical HMC.  None.  There are numerous Power systems with no hmc, either physical or virtual.  Quite common in the IBM i world where they use something called LAN Console.  My side gig has me accessing their system and no one on site currently even knows how to access that Lan Console, but I can remotely.  It is no local physical device, it's simply software.  Oh, and IBM has been there twice lately to replace disk drives and did not use the lan console but only used a local 5250 session.  

There was a clause about being able to get to the system console (hmc not mentioned) if necessary.  For replacing disks, it was not.

One goal is to get their IT department upgraded from the old Client Access to iACS and show them how to use Lan Console.

IMHO - I will say probably not in the short term and where is why :
On the bigger iron , the SSR ( the old CE ) need the access via HMC for repairs/diag , etc.etc.
I think ( and I could EASILY be wrong on this one ) that it is required to have at least one physical HMC.  Of course dual HMCs for redundancy / eliminating SPOF is preferred and that second one can easily and often is a vHMC.
~
Similarly , over on mainframe LinuxONE systems, I believe their HMCs are normally in pairs if memory servers me.

Some time ago IBM discontinued dedicated x86 based HMC's.  Now you have dedicated HMC's on Power, Power based vHMC and x86 based vHMC.

Will the dedicated HMC on Power go the way of the dedicated HMC on x86?  Will those who insist on a dedicated HMC physical appliance be lumped into the same category as those who want to bring back a twinax port for the system console or those who want to bring back the S/38 operator screen?

HMC HW Appliance 7063-CR1 will not support managing Power server models beyond Power10.