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Forum rules on AI generated content?

  • 1.  Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Fri November 29, 2024 09:56 AM

    It's exhausting how much AI generated slop there is all over the Internet.

    As a forum for users and experts on IBM software, I think that AI generated answers don't belong here.

    The moderators might consider whether a rule is applicable.



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  • 2.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Fri November 29, 2024 10:40 AM

    I at least want to see the prompt and which AI.

    If there was an AI that consistently provided good answers for POWER, AIX or KSH v88 shell scripting that would have some value.



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    Alexander Pettitt
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  • 3.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Mon December 02, 2024 12:21 PM

    I've found that ChatGPT is OK for that - of  course you still have to look carefully for bashisms, ksh93isms, and linuxisms - but if you know what you're doing, it can severely shorten the time trying to do something in an unfamiliar package.



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    José Pina Coelho
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  • 4.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Mon December 02, 2024 03:32 AM
    Edited by Zaki Jääskeläinen Mon December 02, 2024 03:32 AM

    The LLMs are trained on publicly available information such as user forums. (Ignoring how some of them have been trained on copyrighted information.)
    Once this public information starts to fill up with AI-generated content the quality of AI will drop.



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  • 5.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Mon December 02, 2024 12:17 PM

    But I do want to preserve the usefulness of AI, as well as the usefulness of technical forums.  Blocking AI-spammers from technical forums helps achieve both.

    AI-generated SPAM doesn't belong on a group where people talk.  Never has, never will.



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  • 6.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Mon December 02, 2024 11:54 AM

    I guess we all know who you're talking about. :-)  He started a could of weeks ago and is gaining speed.

    I've reported it, please do the same, and I sincerely hope IBM drops on it like the proverbial ton of bricks, for the sake of us all.



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  • 7.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Tue December 03, 2024 07:43 AM

    Just my 5 cents. I agree that "pure" AI-generated content has no value here. It is OK for me if someone wants to make the answer better or clearer. I use Grammarly from time to time to check my English spelling and wording. Grammarly also checked this sentence. But I think there is no need for purely AI-generated content on the forum. 



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  • 8.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Tue December 03, 2024 09:47 AM

    Everyone is free to google stuff or ask any "AI" he wants, but in this forum i think it should not be acceptable to post AI generated "answers".

    Even when this answer is tagged as "AI generated"


    The same is true for posting the first google hit for a question without any proofing of it.

    This is simply not what people expect of a forum/community like this (at least this is my expectation)



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  • 9.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Wed December 04, 2024 05:12 AM

    Oh some of us native English speakers need spell checkers! No one ever hired me for my spelling ability!!!



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    Phill Rowbottom
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  • 10.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Thu December 05, 2024 09:30 AM

    AI generated answers don't belong on this forum, I agree. 
    Though one needs to be careful how one phrases such a rule.
    Sometimes an AI-generated answer can be quite amusing and might be posted for that reason.
    But TechXchange is really supposed to be a form for world-class experts to interact with the rest of us.



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  • 11.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Thu December 05, 2024 09:49 AM

    Yes, AI's take on sysadmining can be quite entertaining, and I don't think anyone would complain about a showcase of faux steps by an AI, but it would be better to get our AIX-related AI gore from r/aix rather than creating exceptions here.



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  • 12.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Thu December 05, 2024 04:28 PM

    I asked ChatGPT today to describe socket-based communication between srcmstr process and subsystems. The documentation has been freely available for years on IBM's site.

    It described it and the description looked very good, but there were some problems:

    • it told me that srcmstr creates sockets in /var/tmp instead of /dev/.SRC-unix
    • it told me about imaginary message types that don't exist
    • it told me that this is a bi-directional communication between srcmstr and subsystems. I'd like it to be, but if I read IBM's documentation correctly, subsystems only answer to srcmstr's requests

    I asked ChatGPT to provide an example of a C code for socket communication with srcmstr. It generated code which again looked very plausible but was completely wrong.

    Regarding AIX, I don't know any AI tools that could provide real working answers.



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    Andrey Klyachkin

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  • 13.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Thu December 05, 2024 11:50 PM

    Mr. Andrey Klyachkin
    While ChatGPT itself doesn't inherently limit search responses by time, you are general man for ChatGPT and  I can provide targeted assistance, because I am an expert in how to use ChatGPT.

    There are some specific methods to get the answer from ChatGPT within limitations.  I am able to discussing ways to optimize ChatGPT for specific searches within defined time frames.
    You can also request that ChatGPT limit its responses to the most recent updates or techniques, perhaps including only sources, documentation, or developments that are from recent months.

    If you need insights from a specific time frame,  within the past six months or two years, I can use my browsing capability to usage of ChatGPT gather the most relevant and recent information within this time frame.


    If you provide me with more details on the specific area you're targeting (e.g., troubleshooting socket communication in IBM iSeries subsystems or optimizing communication), I can help guide the query to refine the results more effectively.



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  • 14.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Fri December 06, 2024 03:39 AM

    Hi Saif,

    the issue is that AI (as used in the context of this discussion) does not KNOW the answers to your questions, however specific they may be.

    ChatGPT generates answers by generating text that is likely to look/feel like an expected answer to your question.

    So it CAN be right, but there is no guarantee for that.

    As such, all answer should be cross-checked and verified before being posted to a forum like this, becaus people here expect to communicate with people and exchange knowledge with them rather than use this forum as a search engine or like ChatGPT (or any other AI).

    If someone wants to help others here it is fine to use AI, but only if it is used to educate yourself before posting the answers here, in order to reduce fake/wrong solutions which are frustrating to work through.

    Like the example Andrey provided, answer are mostly looking real and true, but that is no guaranteed.



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  • 15.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Fri December 06, 2024 04:00 AM

    Saif,

    thank you for your suggestion. But IBM iSeries hasn't existed for ca. 20 years, it was renamed to IBM i. The forum topic is AIX and my question was about AIX and I only compared my AIX knowledge to what ChatGPT knows about AIX. 

    You made a very good point and proved me right. Generic AI solutions like ChatGPT can't be used for solving specific problems. You must first tune them to get working answers. With your help or with some other help. Thanks to you I understand the value proposition of IBM's watsonx.ai better.



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    Andrey Klyachkin

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  • 16.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Mon December 09, 2024 01:14 AM

    Hi Saif,

    I'm afraid this isn't the "spirit" of the ongoing discussion regarding AI in the forums.  You can certainly use ChatGPT to craft answers to questions, create your own posts, etc.  Heck, you can even use AI to craft an attractive profile description.

    But organic answers to questions are what people come here for.  Not what some LLM has learned, but what other people have experienced in using AIX or any other platform.  You come here to pick the brains of other people.  If I wanted to pick the brains of an AI, I would've went straight to ChatGPT myself instead of going to these forums (I do on very rare occasions, but that's another story lol)

    I have nothing against using AI as an aid (e.g., doing further research on a problem I had just found a solid solution to).  I just wouldn't make it Step number 1, when searching for answers to questions.



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  • 17.  RE: Forum rules on AI generated content?

    Posted Mon December 16, 2024 10:54 AM

    ChatGPT / AI  / LLM have their place BUT primarily , I come to forums like this to interact with the #NerdHerd because your answers are not based in hypotheticals and googles but in real world experiences.  The questions asked here are answered by people with hands on keyboards that have lived it.  This public sharing of this information makes us ALL a littler smarter  ( and I certainly appreciate that )



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