It would be of course good, to have a new version of that Redbook ...
... but as always, the times have changed and the tides have turned.
IBM really doesn't make any efforts to make new Redbooks. And above that, if you are writing a Redbook today, many of the topics may have changed already by the time you are finishing the manuscript.
So to make it short - I would suggest, to make a collaborative effort to build a wiki-like website using standard tools like MarkDown and so on. So updating would be easy and fast, and many people can collaborate on text, code examples, corrections, and so on.
The wiki and the code could easily be hosted on GitHub as a public repository - we would need about 5-10 people who review pull-requests from collaborators.
To start quick, we all can use the "old" Redbooks as a starting point. Every chapter could be reviewed be a small team or an individual, and a skeleton of the site could be implemented.
We have so many good people - if Susan, Jon, Paul, Simon, Liam (to name only a few) only create one small chapter each - the book is up and running in no time. And I would love to participate - even when I'm not a native English speaker/writer.
The two primary targets IMHO should be
- make it open for everyone to collaborate
- have it hosted somewhere open and independent
This would make sure, that even if someone looses interest or can't contribute anymore, the project doesn't die.
Just my 2 cents.
Regards,
Daniel
Original Message:
Sent: 5/7/2024 11:16:00 AM
From: Jon Paris
Subject: RE: π’ Calling all RPGLE developers!
As one of the authors of this magic tome it is always pleasing to see that people still find it useful.
I just wish that all of the topics in the original had been retained in the second edition ... but that's just me. It does make it hard though to know which version people are talking about as the two are significantly different.
As to IBM updating it - I don't think there is much hope of that. Redbooks seem to be all but dead and even when the second edition was done there was no "gathering of the clans" in Rochester to build the new version. It was all done remotely and frankly I think it suffewred becuase of that.
A few of us have chatted from time to time aboit at least updating the books to free-form and updating the content when appropriate - but nothing has come of it to date.
Jon Paris
Original Message:
Sent: 5/7/2024 9:43:00 AM
From: Gary Keith
Subject: RE: π’ Calling all RPGLE developers!
That Redbook is now in excess of 7 years old. So, YES, there should be an update/revision/rewrite. Not sure IBM is putting any resources into Redbooks any longer but it would be nice. Redbooks and Red Papers are some of the best "how to" documentation resources IBM ever produced.
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Gary Keith
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Original Message:
Sent: Mon May 06, 2024 10:35 AM
From: Ojay B
Subject: π’ Calling all RPGLE developers!
Let's take a moment to express our gratitude to the authors and contributors who compiled their RPGLE wisdom into the invaluable resource, "Who Knew You Could Do That with RPG IV?" This manual has been a guiding light for RPG practitioners, from novices to seasoned veterans, in modernizing legacy applications and exploring the depths of RPG IV.
However, as technology continues to evolve, so must our resources. With significant developments in RPG IV since release 7.2, many of us are left wondering: is there a revised edition planned for this beloved Redbook?
The title itself, "Modern RPG for the Modern Programmer," speaks volumes about the need for consistency in revisions to keep it relevant for today's developers. Especially for those transitioning from a non-IBM i background, having an up-to-date manual is crucial for mastering the intricacies of RPG IV in contemporary environments.
So, fellow RPGLE enthusiasts, let's open the floor for discussion.
Do you believe a revised edition is necessary? And if so, what updates and enhancements would you like to see?
Share your thoughts and let's advocate for a resource that continues to empower RPG developers worldwide!
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Ojay B
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