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IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

Del Hoobler

Del HooblerThu February 08, 2024 05:37 PM

  • 1.  IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Wed July 12, 2023 07:56 PM

    Hi,

    Is IBM Storage Defender similar/better than SPP? Where can I get installers to test it out?

    We use SPP for our virtual environment. Is there a smooth transition/migration to IBM Storage Defender?

    Thanks.



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    Arthur 'Bobbie' J Geronimo
    EBIZOLUTION INC, Technician
    ageronimo@ebizolution.com
    +639178111514
    Makati, Philippines
    www.ebizolution.com
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  • 2.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Thu July 13, 2023 01:13 AM

    Hi,

    I think that this is IBM's answer for competitors way to detect ransomware attacks, where they work together with Cohesity.

    There are other ways to detect ransomware that doesnt need any replacement of backup softwares, for example using ELK, which is a populare SOC (SIEM) tool to use.

    If you are looking for alternatives to both backup and restore your services faster, than snapshots is a valid option.

    If you want the snapshots to be taken regardless of block device (Eg local harddisk etc), or want longer retentions or more versions, than Spictera Unified Storage using snapshot can be a good option too.

    Regards Tomas



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    Tomas Dalebjörk
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  • 3.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Sat July 22, 2023 06:05 AM

    IBM Storage Defender is not "IBM's answer for competitors way to detect ransomware attacks".
    Please look here to learn more: https://www.ibm.com/products/storage-defender



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    Del Hoobler
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  • 4.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Thu July 13, 2023 02:45 AM

    Dear Arthur
    SPP is part of Storage Defender. Defender is a bunch of products with a common dashboard and one common licensind method. So you are able to change products (may be) without buying new licenses. It is based on a subscription model.

    For more Information around Defender please have a look at the announcement letter AD23-0281

    Kind regards
    Martin Haußmann
    SE @ TDSYNNEX germany



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    Martin Haussmann
    SE
    TD SYNNEX
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  • 5.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Mon July 17, 2023 01:36 AM

    Hi,

    Having said this. Is SP included in the Defender portfolio? There's a SP Suite for Front-end, which includes SPP, how is this being handled now by IBM?

    B



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    Arthur 'Bobbie' J Geronimo
    EBIZOLUTION INC, Technician
    ageronimo@ebizolution.com
    +639178111514
    Makati, Philippines
    www.ebizolution.com
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  • 6.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Sat July 22, 2023 06:13 AM

    You can still purchase Storage Protect and Storage Protect Suites (Front End and Back End).
    IBM Storage Defender is an offering that contains many pieces of software that you already know:

    • IBM Storage Protect Suite (includes: Protect, Protect Plus, CDM, Snapshot, and all TDPs)
    • IBM Storage Virtualize (SVC)
    • IBM Copy Services Manager
    • IBM Storage Sentinel
    • IBM Storage Archive

    as well as some new components

    • IBM Storage Protect for Containers
    • IBM Storage Defender Data Protect / Replica - Cohesity Technology, now available from IBM
    • IBM Storage Defender Data Management Service - Web-based, single pane of glass management portal

    One of the really nice things IBM Storage Defender gives you is a single license and you can use what you want and only pay for what you use.



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    Del Hoobler
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  • 7.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Mon July 24, 2023 02:14 AM

    Hi,

    Thank you for this insight. Right on!

    B



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    Arthur 'Bobbie' J Geronimo
    EBIZOLUTION INC, Technician
    ageronimo@ebizolution.com
    +639178111514
    Makati, Philippines
    www.ebizolution.com
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  • 8.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Wed February 07, 2024 10:40 AM

    Are you saying this is a way customers can finally leverage SV without hardware and more of a SaaS offering?



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  • 9.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Thu February 08, 2024 05:29 PM

    No. This enables you to buy any of the components as a subscription model.



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    Del Hoobler
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  • 10.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Fri February 09, 2024 12:11 PM
    Edited by Luke Gentry Fri February 09, 2024 12:15 PM

    @Del Hoobler:  So in essence, a customer can "purchase" RU's and leverage them for only storage virtualize?  Have customers interested in SV but don't want to purchase SVC or FS 5200 and above.  Is this a correct interpretation?

    Thanks!

    Luke



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    Luke Gentry
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  • 11.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Fri February 09, 2024 12:30 PM

    Yes, however, you can just buy Storage Virtualize by itself too. If you want it via subscription, IBM Storage Defender is the way to go. The other bonus of buying via Defender is that you now have access to all the other components and features of Defender. 



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    Del Hoobler
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  • 12.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Fri February 09, 2024 12:37 PM

    Thanks for clearing that up for me!!!  Really appreciate standing on the shoulders of giants!

    Luke



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  • 13.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Mon February 12, 2024 08:56 AM

    Will SV only be deployed on bare metal?



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    Luke Gentry
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  • 14.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Wed February 07, 2024 10:39 AM

    There is certainly a migration path



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    Luke Gentry
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  • 15.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    IBM Champion
    Posted Thu July 13, 2023 02:46 AM

    IBM Storage Defender is a software bundle provides single pane of glass management solution with IBM Storage Virtualize based storage. It contains Spectrum Protect as a legacy backup solution and Cohesity for Vmware backups, CDM for automating safeguarded copies etc. it's not replacement of SPP. 



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  • 16.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Fri July 14, 2023 03:41 AM

    Hi,

    Will IBM retire SPP? Is there a migration strategy?

    B



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    Arthur 'Bobbie' J Geronimo
    EBIZOLUTION INC, Technician
    ageronimo@ebizolution.com
    +639178111514
    Makati, Philippines
    www.ebizolution.com
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  • 17.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    IBM Champion
    Posted Fri July 14, 2023 05:05 AM

    SP and SPP will not be retired. Defender is a different solution sold together with flashsystem. You can continue to use SP and/or SPP



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    Nezih Boyacioglu
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  • 18.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Sat July 22, 2023 06:19 AM

    This is not accurate Nezih. It is not sold together with IBM Fashsystem. Yes, it can work with IBM Flashsystem, but it is not sold with it.

    IBM Storage Defender is an offering that contains many pieces of software that you already know:

    • IBM Storage Protect Suite (includes: Protect, Protect Plus, CDM, Snapshot, and all TDPs)
    • IBM Storage Virtualize (SVC)
    • IBM Copy Services Manager
    • IBM Storage Sentinel
    • IBM Storage Archive

    as well as some new components

    • IBM Storage Protect for Containers
    • IBM Storage Defender Data Protect / Replica - Cohesity Technology, now available from IBM
    • IBM Storage Defender Data Management Service - Web-based, single pane of glass management portal

    For VMware workloads, we do expect customers will see a lot of value from IBM Storage Defender Data Protect and will migrate to using IBM Storage Defender Data Protect instead of SPP. 

    Storage Protect will still remain as one of the strong, sclable, and very robust technology components within IBM Storage Defender.



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    Del Hoobler
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  • 19.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Sun July 23, 2023 03:27 AM
    Sounds promessing.

    We see a lot of tractions using Storage Protect as an archival platform as well as backup.
    Spictera Unified Storage with
    - file access (spfs) were customers can mount Storage Protect and use all the features there. This can help protecting almost any type of data, enhancing data protection by having the transactional data be backed up when its being created etc.
    - bucket/s3 access were customers can store bucket data directly on the Storage Protect server using all features.
    - snapshots, create unlimited number of application consistent snapshots stored on the Storage Protect server using progressive block level incremental forever on any block device with nearly instant restore to any place without hassel with LUN conflicts etc.
    - VTL access to use Storage Protect as a virtual tape library is coming soon. This helps using same Storage Protect server environment for multi purposes, Eg storing "mksysb" AIX images, iSeries BRMS data etc.

    Regards Tomas










  • 20.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Mon July 24, 2023 02:17 AM

    Hi,

    Unfortunately, regarding SPP, that is not what I'm hearing from IBM here in PH. They are hinting that SPP will be EOM and is pushing us to sell/use Defender. I would like to believe that SPP is not going away in the near future as we are have invested so much in the product.

    B



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    Arthur 'Bobbie' J Geronimo
    EBIZOLUTION INC, Technician
    ageronimo@ebizolution.com
    +639178111514
    Makati, Philippines
    www.ebizolution.com
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  • 21.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Mon July 24, 2023 06:07 AM

    Hi Bobbie, SPP will still be supported for a while, but the new investment will be going into Storage Protect/Defender as this has many cyber capabilities required as the cyber attacks get worse and worse. Please reach out to your IBM geo-focal and we can provide more details on this.



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    Del Hoobler
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  • 22.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Fri July 14, 2023 04:58 AM

    Hi

    What does "legacy" mean?

    Are there a plan to decomission Spectrum Protect?



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  • 23.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    IBM Champion
    Posted Fri July 14, 2023 05:12 AM
    Edited by Nezih Boyacioglu Fri July 14, 2023 05:14 AM

    old school backups, an agent collect data from the server and send it to backup server through network. All backup software's use this method. Defender with CDM + SGC + Sentinel protect data on it's source and shows data protection score on its unique dashboard. No backup server, network and/or backed up server's resource bottlenecks. Of course customers must continue to back up their data with backup softwares for out of box - offsite - long term etc. copy requirements

    And No, SP continues to it's operation. And it also integrated with Defender's dashboard. 


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  • 24.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Mon July 17, 2023 01:39 AM

    Hi,

    Thanks for the insights.

    Yes, I was told that SP is integrated with Defender's dashboard, which is cloud-borne. Is Defender VM-level backup component integrated with SP for long term data protection, using LTO8 or higher as end-storage?

    B



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    Arthur 'Bobbie' J Geronimo
    EBIZOLUTION INC, Technician
    ageronimo@ebizolution.com
    +639178111514
    Makati, Philippines
    www.ebizolution.com
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  • 25.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Sat July 22, 2023 06:23 AM

    @Arthur 'Bobbie' Geronimo ... IBM Storage Defender contains many components (see my appends above in this forum chain). I think you are asking, can I store Defender Data Protect backups to my Storage Protect servers. The answer is yes. Today it supports backing it up to Storage Protect container pools. The ability to store it to Storage Protect tape is coming soon.



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    Del Hoobler
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  • 26.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Mon February 12, 2024 02:26 AM

    Hi Del,

    Thank you for the info.



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    Arthur 'Bobbie' J Geronimo
    EBIZOLUTION INC, Technician
    ageronimo@ebizolution.com
    +639178111514
    Makati, Philippines
    www.ebizolution.com
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  • 27.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Thu February 08, 2024 04:06 AM

    Hi Arthur,

    I think the time is now to start moving all VM backups from SP and SPP. 

    Speak to your IBM partner manager about license conversions.

    You will need SP for any tape offload and we find it better for the really long retentions to stick to an in guest archive to tape.

    IBM Data Protect (Blue Cohesity) can offload to S3.

    This allows you many ways to offer immutability.

    All SPv7's have been announced end of service life too.

    3 node cluster minimum might be a deal break for small customers as the ROBO edition does not permit a larger than 16TB storage pool.

    Oh and IBM DP does not support external storage, only ReadyNodes



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    Ivor-John Ross
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    CSI
    Godalming
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  • 28.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Mon February 12, 2024 02:29 AM

    Hi,

    We are planning to move. However, after I got the quote/bom, it is almost 5x the cost of our current SPP Annual SW MA. This will be a very long justification with no assurance of approval.



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    Arthur 'Bobbie' J Geronimo
    EBIZOLUTION INC, Technician
    ageronimo@ebizolution.com
    +639178111514
    Makati, Philippines
    www.ebizolution.com
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  • 29.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Sat July 22, 2023 06:15 AM

    Nezih ... this is not quite accurate. Yes, you can leverage IBM Storage Virtualize, but it's not required.

    IBM Storage Defender is much more than that. Please look here to learn more: https://www.ibm.com/products/storage-defender



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    Del Hoobler
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  • 30.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Thu February 08, 2024 07:14 AM

    Hi Del

    There are only marketing materials available. Where can I see a demo or video of what it looks like?

    Dmitry Dukhov



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    Dmitry Dukhov
    https://www.tsmexplorer.com
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  • 31.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Thu February 08, 2024 05:37 PM
    Edited by Del Hoobler Fri February 09, 2024 05:58 AM



  • 32.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    IBM Champion
    Posted Fri February 09, 2024 02:46 AM
    Edited by Nezih Boyacioglu Fri February 09, 2024 02:47 AM

    You are right on paper Del



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  • 33.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    IBM Champion
    Posted Fri February 09, 2024 02:51 AM

    and don't understand why you're going back to it. You wrote the same reply on 23 July. 



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  • 34.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Wed February 07, 2024 10:39 AM

    Is a VMware shop or are you utilizing sp for containers as well?  To get the absolute best VMware restores I'd advise looking into defender. And if you're leveraging it for containers the most recent upgrade will force you to license fusions backup/restore which is the same mechanism in spp - it will just be licensed differently to my knowledge.  Feel free to reach out for more information. 



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  • 35.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Tue February 13, 2024 01:44 AM

    Hi,

    Currently we are are VMWARE shop. But there are plans/initiatives to use openshift (or similar technology) within 1-2 years.

    We are seriously looking at Defender Data Protect. However, the price is really not that ideal comparing to our current SPP.

    B



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    Arthur 'Bobbie' J Geronimo
    EBIZOLUTION INC, Technician
    ageronimo@ebizolution.com
    +639178111514
    Makati, Philippines
    www.ebizolution.com
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  • 36.  RE: IBM Storage Defender - SPP replacement?

    Posted Tue February 13, 2024 05:50 AM

    Hi Bobbie, I would recommend IBM Storage Fusion or Defender Storage Protect for Containers (Backup and Restore OpenShift operators from Fusion) for protecting OpenShift containers. As for price for VMware, please work closely with your IBM Sales team to ensure you are getting the best price possible.



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