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  • 1.  As400 Upgrade Path

    Posted Mon September 16, 2024 02:58 AM

    Hi, I have recently come across a customer who is using OS/400 V5R4M0 on 9405-520 machine. what could possibly be upgrade path for this customer to adapt the latest version of IBM i and Power 10 platform.



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    Mohammad Safir
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  • 2.  RE: As400 Upgrade Path

    Posted Mon September 16, 2024 03:02 AM

    There are many questions to solve for a successful path from 5.4 version but the first one and most important probably is to check the observability and program conversion that was need for OS 6.1

    In case the customer is using commercial software they will assure that this software can run in last OS version, in case they own the programs they may need to do a program conversion.

     

    I suggest starting here:

     

    https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp4293.pdf

     

    Best regards  

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    Andreu Rul

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  • 3.  RE: As400 Upgrade Path

    Posted Mon September 16, 2024 09:04 AM

    Andreu covered the important points like checking with your vendor, and the program conversion issue.  Do NOT overlook the program conversion issue.  It is a very very big issue.  That redbook link does a fine job of it.

    Generally IBM only supports an upgrade of x+2.  So, if you follow the IBM way it would mean upgrading from V5R4 to 7.1 then to 7.3 then to 7.5.  There are a lot of internal files which change format and if you upgrade this way they will get converted.  In theory a Power 6 could upgrade V5R4 to 7.1.  Then a Power 8 could upgrade 7.1 to 7.3, then 7.4.  7.4 (and 7.3) could be restored on a Power 10 and upgraded to 7.5.

    Now, you're not the first whose ever been in this boat and many have bypassed this.  Normally this involves getting the new system with the latest version of the OS.  Then they restore the libraries and IFS data needed.  How they handle the user profiles, object authority, communications configuration, etc I don't know.  I've always followed the path.  You may wish to farm this out to someone who has been through this.

    See also

    https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/node/668157

    https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/system-ibm-i-mapping

    IBM's Knowledge Center covers Data Migrations but even that only outlines the x+2 method.  https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/i/7.5?topic=software-data-migrations



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    Robert Berendt IBMChampion
    Business Systems Analyst, Lead
    Dekko
    Fort Wayne
    260-599-3160
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  • 4.  RE: As400 Upgrade Path

    Posted Mon September 16, 2024 09:28 PM

    Dear Mohammad

    Apart from checking observability needed when crossing the boundary of IBM i 6.1, there is another pain point typically in your case which is how to transfer the old data to the new system.  It is NOT likely that the old 520 server is using a compatible tape device that the new Power10 server will have.  One point is that you need to order an old model of LTO tape drive that you can currently order that can also connect to 520 server. (You may need to use the lowest supported IBM i release on Power10 server as well.)    



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    Satid S
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  • 5.  RE: As400 Upgrade Path

    Posted Tue September 17, 2024 08:29 AM

    Agreed with Satid and Robert,

    Firstly you must check if everything will work in a new server with a new OS version.

    Then, there is the "problem" about the data migration.

    In our case we do sometimes with QuickEDD/HA (an HA tool that we use with a temporary subscription for migrations) or with an FTP approach. In the second case you must consider that for some time the customer will not have availability.

     

    Best Regards

      

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  • 6.  RE: As400 Upgrade Path

    Posted Tue September 17, 2024 08:41 AM

    This guy is the kind of guy who really used to stretch the capability of some models.

    He also has multiple models, tape drives, etc and probably has done numerous of these kind of migrations

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/drfranken/

    And, if you decide to just run on the cloud he can set you up that way also.  I've donated equipment and furniture to him.



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    Robert Berendt IBMChampion
    Business Systems Analyst, Lead
    Dekko
    Fort Wayne
    260-599-3160
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  • 7.  RE: As400 Upgrade Path

    Posted Wed September 18, 2024 09:51 AM

    Lots of great information already listed - the observability change points are crucial due to third party software.  That Redpaper will assist in the planning around that aspect, and the discussions with software vendors.

    The tape media compatibility is a large issue as well.  If you can move to some manner of virtual tape library - you can likely overcome this issue without too much difficulty.  Otherwise, you would need to look at tape compatibility - and potentially purchase some equipment to fill the gaps (such as LTO-2 to LTO-6 as an example).

    Another topic - does that 9405-520 have any specialized hardware that will not be supported in newer Power platforms?  The customer will want to solution for that aspect if needed.

    I saw mentioned about the need to have varying models of Power hardware.  This is true, but you can minimize this - there are Power 9 models that will support V7R1 (using VIOS and restricted I/O mode).  You could look at the used market for a system that has V7R1 licenses, and then get moved up to a supported level of OS using normal OS upgrades.  This is not the cheapest solution, but it might simplify these OS upgrades due to the X+2 supported pathways. 

    Another thought that I did not see discussed yet - the timing of this upgrade path.  Unless the customer has already requested 6.1 and/or 7.1 keys for their existing 520 system (while still under support) - they are going to be very limited in their time window of getting moved up to newer OS versions.  Some of the LPP licenses will terminate at 40 days - which does not leave much time for testing these updates.  

    Taking another perspective, I would also suggest contacting a hosting provider.  They are likely to have the experience around this scenario, and with performing these type of upgrades/migrations.  Furthermore - they will likely have several iterations of Power hardware to facilitate this type of testing and migration work.  This could allow the customer to keep their business running while they test these updates and migration methods to get a newer version.  (Many times, a hosting provider has all OS level of license keys for each supported OS level on a Power server.  This alone gives more time for testing on the different versions of OS and third party software.)



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    Aaron Brown
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  • 8.  RE: As400 Upgrade Path

    Posted Wed September 18, 2024 10:05 AM

    Some more classic reminders:

    Read the Memo To Users for each release between V5R4 and 7.5.  These will help outline some changes which may affect you.  I can give you examples but you'd be better off just to do it.

    Check out the Upgrade Planning site.  This customer may be relying upon some LPP's which are discontinued.  Or they may be relying upon hardware which no longer is available (modem connections, fax lines, optical disk library, ascii workstation connections, to name a few).  https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/node/upgrade-planning



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    Robert Berendt IBMChampion
    Business Systems Analyst, Lead
    Dekko
    Fort Wayne
    260-599-3160
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