Hello MQ community users,

I would appreciate if you could cross-check and validate the attached start/stop mqm scripts  which aim to start/stop smoothly Production QMs.

Actually I would pinpoint on two commands (arguments) that make me skeptical :

1) endmqm -i (immediate flag) instead of -c or -w for controlled QM shutdown  

2) kill -9  (i think it might be risky in terms of brutal/abnormal mq process termination

Any advise will be much appreciated.

Chers, Nick.

Have you looked into the "-t" and "-tp" options on strmqm ? 

These options were not available on earlier versions of MQ but have now been around for a couple of years.

Hello MQ community users,

I would appreciate if you could cross-check and validate the attached start/stop mqm scripts  which aim to start/stop smoothly Production QMs.

Actually I would pinpoint on two commands (arguments) that make me skeptical :

1) endmqm -i (immediate flag) instead of -c or -w for controlled QM shutdown  

2) kill -9  (i think it might be risky in terms of brutal/abnormal mq process termination

Any advise will be much appreciated.

Chers, Nick.

Sorry, been away too long.

-t/-tp options are on endmqm !

Have you looked into the "-t" and "-tp" options on strmqm ? 

These options were not available on earlier versions of MQ but have now been around for a couple of years.

Hello MQ community users,

I would appreciate if you could cross-check and validate the attached start/stop mqm scripts  which aim to start/stop smoothly Production QMs.

Actually I would pinpoint on two commands (arguments) that make me skeptical :

1) endmqm -i (immediate flag) instead of -c or -w for controlled QM shutdown  

2) kill -9  (i think it might be risky in terms of brutal/abnormal mq process termination

Any advise will be much appreciated.

Chers, Nick.

Have you looked into the "-t" and "-tp" options on strmqm ? 

These options were not available on earlier versions of MQ but have now been around for a couple of years.

------------------------------
Andrew Hickson

Original Message:
Sent: Thu July 27, 2023 11:20 AM
From: NICK DAKORONIAS
Subject: start/stop mqm scripts cross-check & validate -> endmqm -i vs -c & kill -9 for brutal process termination

Hello MQ community users,

I would appreciate if you could cross-check and validate the attached start/stop mqm scripts  which aim to start/stop smoothly Production QMs.

Actually I would pinpoint on two commands (arguments) that make me skeptical :

1) endmqm -i (immediate flag) instead of -c or -w for controlled QM shutdown  

2) kill -9  (i think it might be risky in terms of brutal/abnormal mq process termination

Any advise will be much appreciated.

Chers, Nick.

------------------------------
NICK DAKORONIAS
Application Integration & Middleware Solution Certified Specialist
Kyndryl
Athens
------------------------------

Hi Andrew, 

Thanks for the tip, but where are these flags posted and described?

For sure, they are not listed at global IBM Knowledge Center article for "strmqm" (v9.3) -> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.3?topic=reference-strmqm-start-queue-manager 

nor at https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.1?topic=reference-endmqm-end-queue-manager#q083320_

Btw, can you pls explain their functionality, as well as, whether both apply on earlier MQ ver 9.1.0.x (LTS) build used in subjected case ?

Thanks for your time

Rgds, Nick.

------------------------------
NICK DAKORONIAS
Application Integration & Middleware Solution Certified Specialist
Kyndryl
Athens

Original Message:
Sent: Thu July 27, 2023 03:17 PM
From: Andrew Hickson
Subject: start/stop mqm scripts cross-check & validate -> endmqm -i vs -c & kill -9 for brutal process termination

Have you looked into the "-t" and "-tp" options on strmqm ? 

These options were not available on earlier versions of MQ but have now been around for a couple of years.

------------------------------
Andrew Hickson

Original Message:
Sent: Thu July 27, 2023 11:20 AM
From: NICK DAKORONIAS
Subject: start/stop mqm scripts cross-check & validate -> endmqm -i vs -c & kill -9 for brutal process termination

Hello MQ community users,

I would appreciate if you could cross-check and validate the attached start/stop mqm scripts  which aim to start/stop smoothly Production QMs.

Actually I would pinpoint on two commands (arguments) that make me skeptical :

1) endmqm -i (immediate flag) instead of -c or -w for controlled QM shutdown  

2) kill -9  (i think it might be risky in terms of brutal/abnormal mq process termination

Any advise will be much appreciated.

Chers, Nick.

------------------------------
NICK DAKORONIAS
Application Integration & Middleware Solution Certified Specialist
Kyndryl
Athens
------------------------------

These flags are for endmqm :

endmqm (end queue manager)

Hi Andrew, 

Thanks for the tip, but where are these flags posted and described?

For sure, they are not listed at global IBM Knowledge Center article for "strmqm" (v9.3) -> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.3?topic=reference-strmqm-start-queue-manager 

nor at https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.1?topic=reference-endmqm-end-queue-manager#q083320_

Btw, can you pls explain their functionality, as well as, whether both apply on earlier MQ ver 9.1.0.x (LTS) build used in subjected case ?

Thanks for your time

Rgds, Nick.

------------------------------
NICK DAKORONIAS
Application Integration & Middleware Solution Certified Specialist
Kyndryl
Athens

Original Message:
Sent: Thu July 27, 2023 03:17 PM
From: Andrew Hickson
Subject: start/stop mqm scripts cross-check & validate -> endmqm -i vs -c & kill -9 for brutal process termination

Have you looked into the "-t" and "-tp" options on strmqm ? 

These options were not available on earlier versions of MQ but have now been around for a couple of years.

------------------------------
Andrew Hickson

Original Message:
Sent: Thu July 27, 2023 11:20 AM
From: NICK DAKORONIAS
Subject: start/stop mqm scripts cross-check & validate -> endmqm -i vs -c & kill -9 for brutal process termination

Hello MQ community users,

I would appreciate if you could cross-check and validate the attached start/stop mqm scripts  which aim to start/stop smoothly Production QMs.

Actually I would pinpoint on two commands (arguments) that make me skeptical :

1) endmqm -i (immediate flag) instead of -c or -w for controlled QM shutdown  

2) kill -9  (i think it might be risky in terms of brutal/abnormal mq process termination

Any advise will be much appreciated.

Chers, Nick.

------------------------------
NICK DAKORONIAS
Application Integration & Middleware Solution Certified Specialist
Kyndryl
Athens
------------------------------

Hi, Luc, 

I was in a rush to respond to Andrew's initial post, and didn't catch his later post for "endmqm".

In any case according to IBM Knowledge Center both article  -> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.1?topic=reference-endmqm-end-queue-manager

both of these flags apply on MQ version 9.1.4 and later.  

Unfortunately al these QMs are hosted on (AIX) MQ bulids ver 9.1.0.2 - 9.1.0.4 LTS so they  are not applicable in our case.

There is a plan agreed with customer to upgrade those builds till the end of this year.

Btw, I have tried endmqm -? on another AIX MQ build ver 9.3.0.0 and both of these flags (-t, -tp) are still not advertised...

Any idea, why?

Rgds, Nick. 

These flags are for endmqm :

endmqm (end queue manager)

Hi Andrew, 

Thanks for the tip, but where are these flags posted and described?

For sure, they are not listed at global IBM Knowledge Center article for "strmqm" (v9.3) -> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.3?topic=reference-strmqm-start-queue-manager 

nor at https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.1?topic=reference-endmqm-end-queue-manager#q083320_

Btw, can you pls explain their functionality, as well as, whether both apply on earlier MQ ver 9.1.0.x (LTS) build used in subjected case ?

Thanks for your time

Rgds, Nick.

------------------------------
NICK DAKORONIAS
Application Integration & Middleware Solution Certified Specialist
Kyndryl
Athens

Original Message:
Sent: Thu July 27, 2023 03:17 PM
From: Andrew Hickson
Subject: start/stop mqm scripts cross-check & validate -> endmqm -i vs -c & kill -9 for brutal process termination

Have you looked into the "-t" and "-tp" options on strmqm ? 

These options were not available on earlier versions of MQ but have now been around for a couple of years.

------------------------------
Andrew Hickson

Original Message:
Sent: Thu July 27, 2023 11:20 AM
From: NICK DAKORONIAS
Subject: start/stop mqm scripts cross-check & validate -> endmqm -i vs -c & kill -9 for brutal process termination

Hello MQ community users,

I would appreciate if you could cross-check and validate the attached start/stop mqm scripts  which aim to start/stop smoothly Production QMs.

Actually I would pinpoint on two commands (arguments) that make me skeptical :

1) endmqm -i (immediate flag) instead of -c or -w for controlled QM shutdown  

2) kill -9  (i think it might be risky in terms of brutal/abnormal mq process termination

Any advise will be much appreciated.

Chers, Nick.

------------------------------
NICK DAKORONIAS
Application Integration & Middleware Solution Certified Specialist
Kyndryl
Athens
------------------------------

I'm afraid the missing -t and -tp options in response to endmqm -? are my fault, in that I implemented these options and I appear to have forgotten to add the new options to the endmqm help message. Unfortunately it will now require an APAR to have this fixed in the service stream and being out of that loop it's not something I can raise.

Hi, Luc, 

I was in a rush to respond to Andrew's initial post, and didn't catch his later post for "endmqm".

In any case according to IBM Knowledge Center both article  -> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.1?topic=reference-endmqm-end-queue-manager

both of these flags apply on MQ version 9.1.4 and later.  

Unfortunately al these QMs are hosted on (AIX) MQ bulids ver 9.1.0.2 - 9.1.0.4 LTS so they  are not applicable in our case.

There is a plan agreed with customer to upgrade those builds till the end of this year.

Btw, I have tried endmqm -? on another AIX MQ build ver 9.3.0.0 and both of these flags (-t, -tp) are still not advertised...

Any idea, why?

Rgds, Nick. 

These flags are for endmqm :

endmqm (end queue manager)

Hi Andrew, 

Thanks for the tip, but where are these flags posted and described?

For sure, they are not listed at global IBM Knowledge Center article for "strmqm" (v9.3) -> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.3?topic=reference-strmqm-start-queue-manager 

nor at https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.1?topic=reference-endmqm-end-queue-manager#q083320_

Btw, can you pls explain their functionality, as well as, whether both apply on earlier MQ ver 9.1.0.x (LTS) build used in subjected case ?

Thanks for your time

Rgds, Nick.

------------------------------
NICK DAKORONIAS
Application Integration & Middleware Solution Certified Specialist
Kyndryl
Athens

Original Message:
Sent: Thu July 27, 2023 03:17 PM
From: Andrew Hickson
Subject: start/stop mqm scripts cross-check & validate -> endmqm -i vs -c & kill -9 for brutal process termination

Have you looked into the "-t" and "-tp" options on strmqm ? 

These options were not available on earlier versions of MQ but have now been around for a couple of years.

------------------------------
Andrew Hickson

Original Message:
Sent: Thu July 27, 2023 11:20 AM
From: NICK DAKORONIAS
Subject: start/stop mqm scripts cross-check & validate -> endmqm -i vs -c & kill -9 for brutal process termination

Hello MQ community users,

I would appreciate if you could cross-check and validate the attached start/stop mqm scripts  which aim to start/stop smoothly Production QMs.

Actually I would pinpoint on two commands (arguments) that make me skeptical :

1) endmqm -i (immediate flag) instead of -c or -w for controlled QM shutdown  

2) kill -9  (i think it might be risky in terms of brutal/abnormal mq process termination

Any advise will be much appreciated.

Chers, Nick.

------------------------------
NICK DAKORONIAS
Application Integration & Middleware Solution Certified Specialist
Kyndryl
Athens
------------------------------

The -t and -tp options have been added to the endmqm -? help text as of 9.3.0.2 (and 9.2.0.7) under APAR IT41391: https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/IT41391

I'm afraid the missing -t and -tp options in response to endmqm -? are my fault, in that I implemented these options and I appear to have forgotten to add the new options to the endmqm help message. Unfortunately it will now require an APAR to have this fixed in the service stream and being out of that loop it's not something I can raise.

Hi, Luc, 

I was in a rush to respond to Andrew's initial post, and didn't catch his later post for "endmqm".

In any case according to IBM Knowledge Center both article  -> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.1?topic=reference-endmqm-end-queue-manager

both of these flags apply on MQ version 9.1.4 and later.  

Unfortunately al these QMs are hosted on (AIX) MQ bulids ver 9.1.0.2 - 9.1.0.4 LTS so they  are not applicable in our case.

There is a plan agreed with customer to upgrade those builds till the end of this year.

Btw, I have tried endmqm -? on another AIX MQ build ver 9.3.0.0 and both of these flags (-t, -tp) are still not advertised...

Any idea, why?

Rgds, Nick. 

These flags are for endmqm :

endmqm (end queue manager)

Hi Andrew, 

Thanks for the tip, but where are these flags posted and described?

For sure, they are not listed at global IBM Knowledge Center article for "strmqm" (v9.3) -> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.3?topic=reference-strmqm-start-queue-manager 

nor at https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.1?topic=reference-endmqm-end-queue-manager#q083320_

Btw, can you pls explain their functionality, as well as, whether both apply on earlier MQ ver 9.1.0.x (LTS) build used in subjected case ?

Thanks for your time

Rgds, Nick.

------------------------------
NICK DAKORONIAS
Application Integration & Middleware Solution Certified Specialist
Kyndryl
Athens

Original Message:
Sent: Thu July 27, 2023 03:17 PM
From: Andrew Hickson
Subject: start/stop mqm scripts cross-check & validate -> endmqm -i vs -c & kill -9 for brutal process termination

Have you looked into the "-t" and "-tp" options on strmqm ? 

These options were not available on earlier versions of MQ but have now been around for a couple of years.

------------------------------
Andrew Hickson

Original Message:
Sent: Thu July 27, 2023 11:20 AM
From: NICK DAKORONIAS
Subject: start/stop mqm scripts cross-check & validate -> endmqm -i vs -c & kill -9 for brutal process termination

Hello MQ community users,

I would appreciate if you could cross-check and validate the attached start/stop mqm scripts  which aim to start/stop smoothly Production QMs.

Actually I would pinpoint on two commands (arguments) that make me skeptical :

1) endmqm -i (immediate flag) instead of -c or -w for controlled QM shutdown  

2) kill -9  (i think it might be risky in terms of brutal/abnormal mq process termination

Any advise will be much appreciated.

Chers, Nick.

------------------------------
NICK DAKORONIAS
Application Integration & Middleware Solution Certified Specialist
Kyndryl
Athens
------------------------------