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Innovator-C Edition

  • 1.  Innovator-C Edition

    Posted Wed February 22, 2023 04:38 AM

    I was downloading the IE edition and noticed that it's 14.10.FC7W1 based, (almost 4 years old).

    Does anyone know if a newer version is coming?

    Is it possible to upgrade IE to 14.10.FC9W1? For that one needs the IE_edition installer I suppose. Does that exist at all?

    Best regards,

    -Snorri



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    Snorri Bergmann
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  • 2.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    IBM Champion
    Posted Wed February 22, 2023 08:03 AM

    Just download the latest Developer Edition and apply the Innovator-C license pack. All Editions now use the same executable with different license packs.

    Art



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    Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant
    ASK Database Management Corp.
    www.askdbmgt.com
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  • 3.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    IBM Champion
    Posted Wed February 22, 2023 08:11 AM
    Unfortunately, in them IBM download area the ibm.ins.ie_edition.ALL.zip is for 14.10.3 ....
    I tried activation of a 14.10.fc9.1 DE with the activator, but it does not work.
    The activator needs to be of the same version as the basic software bundle.
    You should contact your IBM dealer in order to get a 14.10.9 activator for innovator edition.

    MARCUS HAARMANN






  • 4.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    Posted Wed February 22, 2023 09:17 AM

    Thanks Art.

    Do you know how to download this particular license pack? The access I have right now only lists my "entitled" license packs, not for the IE.

    Best regards,

    -S 



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    Snorri Bergmann
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  • 5.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    IBM Champion
    Posted Wed February 22, 2023 09:46 AM

    Snorri:

    If you go to "www.informix.com" and click on the <Download Developer Edition> and drill in, you will find the <Informix Innovator-C Edition 14.10.FC9 Edition Installer> I am fairly certain that that license installer will also work with the 14.10.FC9W1 release since it is just a fixpack over FC9. 

    Art



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    Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant
    ASK Database Management Corp.
    www.askdbmgt.com
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  • 6.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    Posted Wed February 22, 2023 10:48 AM

    Thanks Art.

    This worked. I did not realize you could download all the edition installers there!

    Perfect.

    Best regards,

    -Snorri



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    Snorri Bergmann
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  • 7.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    IBM Champion
    Posted Wed September 13, 2023 01:49 PM

    We try, periodically, to get Innovator-C, but can never accomplish it.

    Today, I tried again, and get the IBM bee just buzzing around in circles forever.

    If there is a way to actually get Innovator-C, we are interested.

    DG



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    David Grove
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  • 8.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    IBM Champion
    Posted Wed September 13, 2023 04:02 PM

    David:

    I was able to download the Innovator-C license installer just now for 14.10.FC10. It is noted for platform: 

    Informix Innovator-C Edition Installer 14.10 FC10
    14.10.FC10
    Multiplatform

    Then you have to download the Developer Edition v14.10.FC10 and install that then install the Innovator-C license package.

    Email me if you are still having trouble.

    Art



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    Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant
    ASK Database Management Corp.
    www.askdbmgt.com
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  • 9.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    Posted Thu September 14, 2023 02:27 AM

    I've just tried the same and as usual I've got the Developer Edition JAR instead of the Innovator-C one.



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    Davorin Kremenjas
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  • 10.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    IBM Champion
    Posted Thu September 14, 2023 03:46 AM

    Hi Davorin,

    what am I missing?  The product as such comes as Developer Edition ("DE"), as .tgz -> ids_install; then, if you wish and are entitled to, you'd download and apply a different edition's installer, in the shape of a .jar (or you put the edition installer .jar next to your ids_install so it'll be applied automatically).

    -> what do you mean by Developer Edition JAR ?

    Andreas



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    Andreas Legner
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  • 11.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    Posted Thu September 14, 2023 04:39 AM
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    Hi Andreas,

    perhaps it's me missing something, but I remember I used to be able to download the Innovator-c JAR ("IE") from IBM MRS site, then use it to switch from whatever version I already had installed to Innovator-C (or as you say put it next to my ids_install and have it applied automatically).

    Now when I download what's described as Informix Innovator-C Edition Installer 14.10 FC10 (please see attached), I get the de_edition.jar in downloaded ZIP file (and you can also see the filename in the screenshot is indeed ibm.ins.de_edition.ALL.zip instead of the expected ibm.ins.ie_edition.ALL.zip).



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    Davorin Kremenjas
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  • 12.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    IBM Champion
    Posted Thu September 14, 2023 06:41 AM
    Davorin:

    As of V14.10 all "Editions" use the same code installer but different license file installers except for the Developer Edition which needs no license installer because it is free and the default "Edition" that is installed. So, you always just install the Developer Edition jar file and install the correct license jar, in this case the Innovator-C installer for all environments.

    Art

    Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant
    ASK Database Management


    Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference.  Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves.








  • 13.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    Posted Thu September 14, 2023 08:16 AM

    Thanks Art,

    I'm definitely missing something here.

    Fresh download of IDS 14.10FC10 Developer Edition, with no edition installer jar files in the same directory:

    root@dkhppb640g5:/home/dkremenjas/Downloads/14.10.FC10# ./ids_install 
    Preparing to install
    Extracting the JRE from the installer archive...
    Unpacking the JRE...
    Extracting the installation resources from the installer archive...
    Configuring the installer for this system's environment...
     
    Launching installer...
     
    ===============================================================================
                                                     (created with InstallAnywhere)
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     
    Preparing CONSOLE Mode Installation...
    ===============================================================================
    Getting Started
    ---------------
     
    This application  will guide you through the installation of IBM Informix 
    Software Bundle Developer edition.
     
    Copyright HCL Technologies Ltd. 2017, 2023. All rights reserved.
    Copyright IBM Corporation 2001, 2017. All rights reserved.
     
    1. Release Notes
    The Release Notes can be found in
    /home/dkremenjas/Downloads/14.10.FC10/doc/ids_unix_relnotes_14.10.html

    ...

    With freshly downloaded and extracted "Informix Innovator-C Edition Installer 14.10 FC10" (as in my previous post) license installer jar:

    root@dkhppb640g5:/home/dkremenjas/Downloads/14.10.FC10# ./ids_install 
    Preparing to install
    Extracting the JRE from the installer archive...
    Unpacking the JRE...
    Extracting the installation resources from the installer archive...
    Configuring the installer for this system's environment...
     
    Launching installer...
     
    ===============================================================================
                                                     (created with InstallAnywhere)
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     
    Preparing CONSOLE Mode Installation...
     
     
     
     
    ===============================================================================
    EditionInstaller Incorrect
    --------------------------
     
    Edition installer /home/dkremenjas/Downloads/14.10.FC10/de_edition.jar was not
    created for this version of the Informix Dynamic Server.
     
      ->1- Install Developer Edition
        2- Exit Installer



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    Davorin Kremenjas
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  • 14.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    IBM Champion
    Posted Thu September 14, 2023 08:30 AM

    probably indicating that the specifc license installer .jar is NOT the one for 14.10.FC10, but maybe for a previous fixpack?

    You need to get a new license installer for every new IDS fixpack - they are very version specific (but not telling you).



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    Andreas Legner
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  • 15.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    Posted Thu September 14, 2023 08:38 AM

    > probably indicating that the specifc license installer .jar is NOT the one for 14.10.FC10, but maybe for a previous fixpack?

    Yes, precisely what I'm trying to say, the MRS site claiming it to be the one, but obviously not the case.

    > You need to get a new license installer for every new IDS fixpack - they are very version specific (but not telling you).

    Yes, in the past I always managed to obtain it from this same place; however for quite some time now this has not been possible - it's always a DE license installer JAR instead of the IE one, and always for a different IDS version than the one claimed.



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    Davorin Kremenjas
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  • 16.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    IBM Champion
    Posted Thu September 14, 2023 08:54 AM

    Got you now, but the misconception here is:

    you're not getting/applying a DE installer/license, but an inappropriate IE installer/license which IDS (oninit, onstat) then will reject and (silently) fall back to the DE default.

    So you're saying you're being offered an IE license installer for 14.10.xC10, but that then turns out to be "not created for this version of the Informix Dynamic Server"?

    Also, that message mentions "de_edition.jar" which, per my logic and knowledge, shouldn't even exist or be required.

    I'm confused again...



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    Andreas Legner
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  • 17.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    Posted Thu September 14, 2023 09:05 AM
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    > So you're saying you're being offered an IE license installer for 14.10.xC10, but that then turns out to be "not created for this version of the Informix Dynamic Server"?

    Yes and yes :-)

    I've attached the same screenshot again, states clearly it's the "Informix Innovator-C Edition Installer 14.10 FC10", but obviously not. Even the filename ibm_ins.de_edition.ALL.zip hints that it's the incorrect one.

    Once the ZIP file has been downloaded and unzipped, extracting the InstallScript.iap_xml file from the JAR gives:

    <object class="com.zerog.ia.installer.actions.EditVariableTable" objectID="b2c4145ca54b">
    ...
      <property name="name">
        <string><![CDATA[$EDITION_VERSION$]]></string>
      </property>
      <property name="value">
        <string><![CDATA[14.10.5]]></string>
      </property>
    ...
    </object>

    which further hints it's definitely NOT what it says on the tin.



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    Davorin Kremenjas
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  • 18.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    Posted Thu September 14, 2023 01:33 PM

    To wrap up: it seems to be dependent on the IBM account used to log into the MRS site.

    A friend logged in and got the correct version/edition installer which worked right away of course.

    As to why I've ended up on the IBM black list I can only guess...



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    Davorin Kremenjas
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  • 19.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    IBM Champion
    Posted Fri September 15, 2023 03:09 AM

    Have you retried with your account?

    I learned y'day that a new set of IE license installers, for various versions, had been sent to IBM...



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    Andreas Legner
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  • 20.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    Posted Fri September 15, 2023 06:12 AM

    I've just tried a minute ago and the same problem persists for my acc.

    Tempted to create a new one :-)



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    Davorin Kremenjas
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  • 21.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    IBM Champion
    Posted Fri September 15, 2023 12:48 PM
    Edited by David Grove Fri September 15, 2023 12:48 PM

    In response to a recent effort (I have been trying, quite irregularly, for about 2 years), IBM sales contacted me.  They thought I wanted a free trial of Informix.  (They didn't realize we have been customers for more than 25 years [I have had that same account with the same email address for most of that time].)  After I explained that I was just trying to get Innovator-C, and had been unable, they opened a tech support case.  I thought that was great, because Innovator-C is not supported by tech support.

    Anyway, bottom line was they suggested clearing my browser cache and using a private window.  I did both and then the download screen appeared and worked.  So, we were able to get Innovator-C.

    DG

    P.S.  I asked about the license installer, and tech support told me I didn't need one.



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    David Grove
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  • 22.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    Posted Sat September 16, 2023 05:05 AM

    Thanks for the tip David, however that didn't work either.

    I'll try and get in touch with the IBM sales as well given that so far nothing else worked.



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    Davorin Kremenjas
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  • 23.  RE: Innovator-C Edition

    IBM Champion
    Posted Thu September 14, 2023 08:27 AM

    ... except that it's not "Developer Edition jar", but Developer Edition tar or tgz?



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    Andreas Legner
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