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PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

  • 1.  PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/20/26 02:55 PM
    Over the years, we've seen the HMC, its interface and the overall approach change. It used to be you told it what you wanted it to do, now, more like the vCenter approach, you tell it what you want. 
     
    As part of that, we've seen the whole idea of partition profiles change. Back in the day, the idea was, you could create multiple partition profiles, that you could select at start up, to provide different system configurations. But this now, is dated, since the profiles only take affect on a cold startup of a partition and more-and-more, what we do is dynamic.  Also not sure how it plays along with concepts, like simplified-remote-restart.
     
    So from my perspective, working on IBM Power and the HMC, the idea of profiles is now dated and I'm guessing will fall by the roadside. But I've been burnt by that approach. If I create a new LPAR on a P11, if someone starts the default profile, the configuration, including NPIV WWPN's, NIC's, etc. get wiped out. Because the default now, on the new systems, is the Save configuration changes to profile option is set to disable. So the profile is pretty much blank.
     
    So, curious, what are all you seeing? What are your approaches to profiles and LPAR creation?  Also, if possible, can we get the Power VUG schedule a session with the IBM HMC developer group to explain the future roadmap of the HMC?
     
    Am I alone on my soapbox, telling users, to stop paying, modifying and managing LPAR profiles? 
     
    -Mark


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    Mark Steele
    Guru
    Direct Systems Support
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  • 2.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/21/26 02:08 AM
    Edited by Patrick Hügli 07/21/26 02:09 AM

    Hi Marc,

    Good article.
    Unfortunately, HMC development, including Carbon UI, has in the past been driven in entirely the wrong direction.
    The focus in recent years has clearly been on new POWER users ("mouse pushers").
    The established POWER customers have clearly been ignored.
    I know the POWER HMC Research Programme and am already seeing the DEV development ideas at the mockup stage.
    I really don't like what I'm seeing. I've been doubting for some time whether my input is actually being acknowledged.
    I can only urge all POWER customers to contact their respective IBM advocates with feedback and firmly express their dissatisfaction with the HMC development.

    CHers Patrick



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    Patrick Hügli
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  • 3.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/21/26 04:53 AM

    If You are using PowerVC with Novalink to manage the frames (co-management), then the profiles do go away. 

    When you first setup the frame, profiles are there as per normal, but once you install Novalink and move frame management to it, then profiles are no longer shown on the HMC.

    Phill.



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    Phill Rowbottom
    Unix Consultant
    Service Express
    Bedford
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  • 4.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/21/26 05:00 AM

    The HMC has improved massively with the design changes.  So much better than it was 20 years ago - much less room for human error and the entire idea of managing the virtualisation from a single point is much more efficient.



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    Phill Rowbottom
    Unix Consultant
    Service Express
    Bedford
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  • 5.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/21/26 05:16 AM

    Hi Mark, 

    The Profile Management GUI has been modernized by transitioning to Carbon technology, providing a more consistent and intuitive user experience that aligns with the rest of the HMC interface. While the look and feel have been enhanced, all existing partition profile functionality has been fully preserved.
     
    To access partition profiles, simply select the desired partition from the HMC dashboard and click Partition Profile from the left navigation menu. From there, administrators can view the profiles associated with the partition, edit existing profiles, save the current partition configuration as a profile, create new profiles, and perform all other profile management tasks as before.
     
    Regarding the issue you reported where the Sync option was disabled for newly created partitions, this has been resolved in the HMC 1112 release.
     
    We appreciate your feedback, as it helps us continue improving the HMC experience. If you have any additional questions or comments, please let us know-we'll be happy to assist.

    -Manju



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  • 6.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/22/26 10:36 AM

    I think the issue you ran into with the "Save configuration changes to profile" is the result of a very unfortunate bug that has been fixed in newer versions.

    I say "unfortunate bug" because I wholeheartedly agree with your premise that profiles should be a thing of the past.  I even wrote a blog post about it in 2023 https://blog.vios4i.com/2023/01/please-stop-changing-partition-profiles.html

    The modern HMC is entirely based in dynamic changes that do not work well with profiles.  If you find yourself changing a profile to do anything other than fix a problem that was created by changing a profile, you are doing it wrong.  The dynamic processes will automatically keep the VIOS and LPARs in sync, and they will generally do it without requiring a reboot.

    Too many people want to do it the old way because it is what they know.  Sorry folks, dinosaurs are extinct because they could not adapt.  Don't be a dinosaur.

    I run into issue caused by profile changes constantly.  They are usually very easy to avoid.  Use a single profile named "Default_profile", set the auto-sync option to Enabled, and do all your setup with the dynamic processes or the dynamic CLI commands and forget that profiles even exist.  That has worked for years until the one HMC release that defaulted to Disabled messed everything up.

    You don't improve anything by changing the profile name to match the LPAR, so stop doing it.

    As others in this thread have mentioned, the HMC gui seems to get changed with each release.  That IS annoying, but if you understand the principals, it really is not hard to figure out the steps you need to do.  

    One recent HMC GUI change that really bothers me has also been recently mentioned in this thread is the *new* Carbon based partition profile GUI -- prominently highlighted with a "NEW" icon that will lead a whole new generation of engineers to the function that they ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT be using.  That option should be buried deep in the menus with the other maintenance functions, not right up front like it is now.



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    Vincent Greene
    IT Consultant
    Technology Expert labs
    IBM
    Vincent.Greene@ibm.com


    The postings on this site are my own and don't necessarily represent IBM's positions, strategies or opinions.
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  • 7.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/23/26 04:21 AM

    > I say "unfortunate bug" because I wholeheartedly agree with your premise that profiles should be a thing of the past.

    My opinion is completely opposite and I believe profiles are useful.

    > The modern HMC is entirely based in dynamic changes that do not work well with profiles.

    You mean the way all Power virtualization settings/configuration works or the way that new HMC versions GUI works?

    > As others in this thread have mentioned, the HMC gui seems to get changed with each release.

    Frankly, I do not care much. Why? Because it's CLI that I've been using for a long. long time. GUI does not allow you save copies of the commands, it forces you to save screenshosts (sometimes multiple) or write a lengthy desctiption of the actions. GUI does not allow you to prepare in advance all commands that you would be needing to implement a omplex config change next weekend. GUI does not allow you to automate anything - CLI (or API) does.

    > Use a single profile named "Default_profile", set the auto-sync option to Enabled, and do all your setup with the dynamic processes or the dynamic CLI commands and forget that profiles even exist. 

    And risk that one slip of the mouse or your fingers messes up not only the current config, but - how (in)conveniently - also saved permanent config (ie profile)? Plus does your statement mean that max CPUs, max mem and max slot number are nowadays not hard limits any more and can be changed dynamically? Plus you seem to ignore that there are valid reasons why one might want to make a test change to running LPAR config that should not be reflected in its permamanent config.

    > You don't improve anything by changing the profile name to match the LPAR, so stop doing it.

    FWIW, my experiece tells me it's mostly (or even almost only) IBMi people that do it. 



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    Lech Szychowski
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  • 8.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/23/26 04:33 AM

    I personally feel different partition profiles for an LPAR once made sense, in particular at the times you could do a lot of changes only by changing the profile and powering-off the LPAR and restarting it. And in some rare cases it might still be useful. All the dynamic changes that you can do nowadays, and synced between e.g. the Virtual I/O Server and the partition automatically, make manually modifying LPAR profiles a thing of the past.

    Also, if I consider the number of times that I made a dynamic (or temporary) change to a partition profile that I DID NOT want to keep, I'd say that happens very infrequently. Almost all of the time, any change I made to a partition will need to end up in the partition profile permanently. So ONE profile for an LPAR, with the "Save configuration changes to profile option" set to Enable seems the most useful, logical choice for me.

    I think most of the things you can do with the HMC GUI are also possible using the CLI, for those who prefer to script things, or repeat a setup etc. If there are tasks that can only be completed within the GUI (and not by a command or sequence of commands) IBM should fix this.

    As someone else already mentioned: If you have an LPAR with Novalink to manage your system (co-managed by an HMC possibly) then the partition profiles on the HMC are no longer shown (or ignored) when the Novalink partitions gets control of the system for the first time. And with Novalink there is only one set of settings that is updated dynamically.   



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    Richard Westerik
    Principal specialist
    Simac IT NL bv
    Ede
    +31651575123
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  • 9.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/23/26 05:15 AM

    Perhaps I should have made myself more clear, so let me try again.

    I am not against the very existence of the "sync chnages with profile". I believe i's an useful option and it should be there so that people may choose to use it if they see it's a good solution in their situation.

    What I am against is making this setting more or less manadatory which - in its extreme interpretation - may lead to "only one profile, tantamount iwth runnng config, is what everybody needs" approach.

    As for "profiles disappear when Novalink is used" situation, Novalink is an alternative model of managing Power environment and as such it may impose its own rules. I'm fine with it, nobody is forced to use Novalink, to each his own.



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    Lech Szychowski
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  • 10.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/23/26 05:23 AM

    I agree with Lech that profiles may be useful to some administrators and that HMC support for having multiple profiles should not be dropped, and "Save configuration changes to profile" should be a setting that remains (and can be changed by the HMC user).

    That way people who want/need multiple profiles can continue to use that. And people who's environment is better suited by having 1 profile for an LPAR (and have dynamic changes copied to this profile automatically) can also do so.



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    Richard Westerik
    Principal specialist
    Simac IT NL bv
    Ede
    +31651575123
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  • 11.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/24/26 08:35 AM

    I think in general, that having just a single profile is much more manageable.  It also removes the possibility of someone starting up LPARs with an incorrect profile on a cold start of the frame, which can very easily increase outage time.  For myself, I can't really see much need for multiple profiles these days....in the past, before the introduction of autosync changes to the profile there was, but now....I'm failing to see it.

    Phill.



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    Phill Rowbottom
    Unix Consultant
    Service Express
    Bedford
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  • 12.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/24/26 10:28 AM

    >  having just a single profile is much more manageable. It also removes the possibility of someone starting up LPARs with an incorrect profile on a cold start of the frame, which can very easily increase outage time

    OTOH it opens the possibility of someone making a mistake when modifying the "one and only" profile (by modifying the running config which is synced with this profile) and then - having no idea what was the previous config (there should be just one profile so saving running config to another profile before making changes is not an option any more) - not being able to easily revert the change... 



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    Lech Szychowski
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  • 13.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/24/26 12:10 PM

    >OTOH it opens the possibility of someone making a mistake when modifying the "one and only" profile (by modifying the running config which is synced with this profile) and then - having no >idea what was the previous config (there should be just one profile so saving running config to another profile before making changes is not an option any more) - not being able to easily revert >the change... 

    This is why you use the GUI & not the CLI, to prevent those mistakes that the CLI allows. 

    The GUI also warns you if you change a profile which is the sync target and then asks for additional verification.  Of course, if you then so confirm that you really want to do that, sync is disabled until the next activation of the LPAR from the profile.



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    Phill Rowbottom
    Unix Consultant
    Service Express
    Bedford
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  • 14.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/23/26 05:19 AM

    Hi Vincent,

    Having read your blog on the topic, you're right on the money.

    Phill.



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    Phill Rowbottom
    Unix Consultant
    Service Express
    Bedford
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  • 15.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/23/26 05:29 AM

    The problems that I've seen people made because they do things on the CLI where this isn't the sanity checking that the GUI has have been interesting.  Freezing the hypervisor to the point that the only option was to pull the cables out of the back (wasn't me but at a company I worked for).  Really using the GUI is the much safer option, it doesn't allow you to make the errors that the CLI does.  The CLI certainly isn't the safer option.



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    Phill Rowbottom
    Unix Consultant
    Service Express
    Bedford
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  • 16.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/23/26 05:45 AM

    > they do things on the CLI where this isn't the sanity checking that the GUI has

    I agree that CLI is for those who really know what they are doing and do not need the omnipresent "are you sure?" nags approach and other people are better off using GUI and its built-in sanity checks.

    Sidenote: Yes, I may be called a dinosaur and more than 2^5 years of being Unix root has made "nobody and nothing will protect the system from your mishaps you so better be careful" a natural approach for me. So I may be - and most likely am - biased.



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    Lech Szychowski
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  • 17.  RE: PowerHMC and Partition Profiles

    Posted 07/23/26 02:43 PM

    Thank you all for the insightful feedback! First and foremost, it's unfortunate that the default behavior of not saving changes to the profile, is not by design, but a bug on the specific version of HMC code. That does help clarify the behavior I'm seeing.

    So I would concur, that the most basic approach would be to enable the sync function to let the changes update the profile, but not touch or use profiles directly at all, unless there's a very specific use case. 



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    Mark Steele
    Guru
    Direct Systems Support
    San Diego CA
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