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New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

  • 1.  New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Wed July 03, 2024 05:09 AM

    Installed the new firmware 10.6.0.0 yesterday in which webgui is gone. I am not able to copy a file using the new UI. It reports a message saying "Copy File" with a red circle in front. Other thing is that the UI does not show recently added folders when copying.  You need to do a refresh before it 'sees' the newly added folders. 



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    John Gouw
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  • 2.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Thu July 04, 2024 02:53 AM

    Please create a support ticket, stating the type of DP you are experiencing this.



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    Hermann Stamm-Wilbrandt
    Compiler Level 3 support, IBM DataPower Gateways
    IBM
    Boeblingen
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  • 3.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Thu July 04, 2024 03:22 AM

    Done. TS016652415 was created for this. 



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    John Gouw
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  • 4.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Fri July 05, 2024 06:05 AM

    You can still use the old interface, which in my opinion is far far better.  I don't know why IBM is forcing the new one on us.



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    John Parker
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  • 5.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Tue August 13, 2024 04:45 PM

    Hello, how to use old WebGUI interface in 10.6.0.0 (and hopefully above)?
    I agree .. it is far far better :-)

    Regards, Uli



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    Uli Rauscher
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  • 6.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Tue August 13, 2024 04:57 PM

    I think the release notes says the old UI is gone in 10.6.



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    Joseph Morgan
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  • 7.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Wed August 14, 2024 02:46 AM

    Yes, that is my knowledge, too. But I hoped, @John Parker has some more knowledge?



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  • 8.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Wed August 14, 2024 08:10 AM

    I think you can still use the old WEBGUI with the 10.6.  I'm pretty sure I was able to get to it during our brief use.  We had issues with the 10.6 firmware, so we went back to 10.5.0.11 and now we are on 10.5.0.12

    I think if you enter https://yourdomain.com:9090/  it will pull up the old webgui.

    I don't know why IBM keeps pushing that new gui, when the old one was fine and everyone was happy with it.



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    John Parker
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  • 9.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Wed August 14, 2024 09:33 AM

    Interesting, so the same "easter-egg" trick used when they tried to force the really bad BluePrint on us.

    I don't have 10.6 yet, but will be interesting to see when we get there.  Aside from a number of things still not working, once you wrap your brain around it, the've kind of improved some things, but otherwise just replaced endless popups with endless tabs.

    John, Uli.... let everyone know.  It might just end up being a savior for those not wanting to roll back the firmware.



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    Joseph Morgan
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  • 10.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Wed August 14, 2024 03:13 PM

    You can still use the old interface, which in my opinion is far far better.  I don't know why IBM is forcing the new one on us.

    Hello, how to use old WebGUI interface in 10.6.0.0 [...] it is far far better

    Could you share the specific aspects of the old UI you prefer compared to the new UI? Your insights may better help us understand your concerns.



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    Adam Alston
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  • 11.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Thu August 15, 2024 04:13 AM

    Hi Adam, 

    I take the liberty to also address my concerns so you understand the problems I am having with the new UI. The functionality is more or less ok and improving with each firmware update. 

    However, my major concern is the new styling and the way the new UI is slowing me down and is error prone. The new UI shows all information more or less in the same coloring/styling which forces you to read more things and check double what is displayed. And it requires much more mouse interactions to get things done. Some typical examples:

    • It is hard to distinguish TABS from headers from list entries. This makes it hard to keep track of what you are working on, pipeline, policy, et cetera. It causes mistakes like closing or opening wrong things. 
    • It is hard to figure out which object is in which tab if you have several items opened
    • the new UI only shows half of the information on 1 screen which forces a lot of more scrolling
    • the new UI moved often used options to background menu, like probe on the MPGW/WS edit page
    • the new UI CSS does not distinguish coloring for up/down. The old interface you could directly pinpoint the failing object. Now I have to check each line for 'down'. 
    • the new UI does not distinguish the different objects, you have to read what you are working on. The new UI could use Icons which help you to quickly locate what you are working on

    I hope this helps you to make the UI more user friendly and easier to do the job. 



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    John Gouw
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  • 12.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Thu August 15, 2024 04:32 AM

    Hi all, I completely agree with Adam.

    Ok, it's a matter of taste, but for me old WebGUI is way more clear and compact as far as tables and forms are concerned. I like windows more than tabs. More information without scrolling.

    I would like to add activating and using probes (for WSP in my case) is more complicated in newUI.

    In short, I am familiar with the old UI since 15 years and see no functional advantage in the newUI.

    Regards, Uli



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    Uli Rauscher
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  • 13.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Thu August 15, 2024 06:55 AM

    I agree with both Adam and Uli

    The new interface seems to be looking for a problem that isn't there.  The old interface was fine.  I've been using it close to 20 years, and I really don't want to change. 

    If you want to make changes, take a look at the editor.  That could use some tweaking.



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    John Parker
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  • 14.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Fri August 16, 2024 02:29 AM

    Hi,
    I totally agree.
    The new UI adds absolutely nothing.

    /Jocke D



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    Joacim Dahlblom
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  • 15.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Fri August 16, 2024 04:12 AM

    > The new UI adds absolutely nothing.
    >
    That is not the point, from:
    https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/datapower-gateway/10.6.0?topic=gateway-datapower-gui
    "The DataPower® Gateway provides a graphical interface, which is a REST-based interface that is based on Carbon design."

    I use the old WebGUI since I joined DataPower Level3 support 17 years ago in 3.6.0 firmware days.

    It was no option to stay with the old WebGUI, since all IBM (cloud) products have to use Carbon design.
    So it was not a DataPower product decision, but a broader requirement.



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    Hermann Stamm-Wilbrandt
    Compiler Level 3 support, IBM DataPower Gateways
    IBM
    Boeblingen
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  • 16.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Fri August 16, 2024 04:22 AM

    Hello Hermann, thanks for your comment.

    Nice try to explain the overall IBM decision ... but that doesn't make it better :-(

    Regards



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    Uli Rauscher
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  • 17.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Sun August 18, 2024 08:15 AM
    Edited by Jim T. Sun August 18, 2024 08:17 AM

    I think if you enter https://yourdomain.com:9090/  it will pull up the old webgui.

    Do you mean you need to configure the web-mgmt service to use port 9090 in order for this to work?  Or is 9090 some hidden reserved port which accesses the WebGUI via the old interface?



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    Jim T.
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  • 18.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Mon August 19, 2024 04:20 AM

    By default WebGUI (old and new) run on port 9090, this is the new UI for me after login:

    https://dp-hermann-work.fyre.ibm.com:9090/ui/homepage



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    Hermann Stamm-Wilbrandt
    Compiler Level 3 support, IBM DataPower Gateways
    IBM
    Boeblingen
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  • 19.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Tue August 20, 2024 01:42 PM
    Edited by Jim T. Tue August 20, 2024 01:43 PM

    Thanks Hermann, that's right and I had forgot as we have been using a different port for ages.  So I'm just trying to understand how this legacy GUI can be forced to come up, based on John Parker's advice that "...if you enter https://yourdomain.com:9090/ it will pull up the old webgui." It sort of sounds like if you navigate to this URL specifically (ie. with forward slash after the 9090/port) then it would go to the old WebGUI.  I don't have 10.6.x installed, so I can't test at the moment.

    Btw, is there a built in function on this forum to quote text from the previous post?


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    Jim T.
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  • 20.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Tue August 20, 2024 01:57 PM

    Hi Jim T,

    You might be able to simulate what will happen in your don't have 10.6 loaded.  I don't either because we had problems with it and went to 10.5.0.12, but on the login screen, there is an option to bring up either the WebGUI (deprecated) or the New UI.  When I select New UI, and log in, I get the new UI.  But if I just go to

    https://yourdomain.com:9090/

    it brings up the old Webgui

    I think this might still work on 10.6 because while we were on it, some people were groaning about the new ui, and I was still able to get to the old Webgui UI.

    Hope this helps!



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    John Parker
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  • 21.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Tue August 20, 2024 02:02 PM

    Ok noted on that, thanks a lot John for the additional details!

    Jim



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    Jim T.
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  • 22.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Tue August 20, 2024 02:11 PM

    I just installed 10.6.0.0 and the old webgui is still available.  There is a yellow button at the top saying the WebGUI is deprecated.



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    John Baird
    Systems Programmer
    Birmingham
    205-957-5285
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  • 23.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Tue August 20, 2024 02:34 PM

    Nice to see, thanks John!



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    Jim T.
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  • 24.  RE: New UI: not able to copy file firmware 10.6.0.0

    Posted Fri August 16, 2024 06:20 AM
    Edited by DOMINIC MICALE Fri August 16, 2024 06:23 AM

    An upload issue with the CarbonUI file management should be fixed in 10.6.0.1, there is no APAR for it however as it is internally driven by development.  This is when you upload a very large file (like firmware image) and the result is a 0 byte empty file.

    Edit: It looks like there is a secondary issue that was presented from case TS016652415.  In which DataPower responds with a 403 this is different than what is being fixed in 10.6.0.1 -- looks like this different issue may result in an APAR.



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    DOMINIC MICALE
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